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    Comments on: A Round of Layoffs at Palm
The news comes during a rather rough week for Palm's stock and the US stock market in general. Shares in Palm closed at a new all time low over continued uncertainly about the general economy and Palm's long planned turnaround. The last major round of layoffs came around this time last year when around 250 people were cut. Palm's last reported head count in August was around 1,050 employees.
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The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. PIC is not responsible for them in any way. login or register for free in order to post comments.  More to come (go) today?SeldomVisitor @ 11/21/2008 9:37:56 AM #
I don't know this poster, but "he" says with conviction:
- http://tinyurl.com/unkownveracity This particular poster has posted some slightly-insider-knowledge posts before like this: - http://tinyurl.com/insiderespp so I would at the very least SLIGHTLY trust his rumor-du-jour about TODAY'S layoffs... 
 Ed Colliganwildmantrader @ 11/21/2008 6:49:44 AM #
Hopefully he was one of the 200 and if he wasn't EP needs to make it 201 by walking Ed out the door.
Better start the Hype Machine, Palm
Time to start betting the farm by leaking Nova crap. January is CES. You don't have til then to get some buzz going. RE: Better start the Hype Machine, PalmSeldomVisitor @ 11/21/2008 8:19:54 AM #
From about 5 months ago... == "...Well, the only milestones that we've set out is to finish up - http://tinyurl.com/palmoldtrans SO I guess we wait for that developer (...) to start leaking things, huh? RE: Better start the Hype Machine, Palm
My thoughts exactly. I find my TX to be useful, but it could be better. I miss the svelt feeling of my Vx or M515. Palm needs to give me some reason to hold out until they deliver, because I'm itchin' to upgrade and they're not currently in consideration.
- PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)
One layoff I want
That punk-ass who posted here at PIC that Palm laughs at power users. Die in a cardboard box, pal. RE: One layoff I want
You're kidding, right? This couldn't have anything to do with Palm spending all their time valiantly trying to fix Windoze Mobile for Microsoft, underwhelmingly supporting the Treo for years, falling asleep at the wheel with PalmOS's replacement, and dumping a load of Centro playthings on the market for next to nothing. Power users have been told to go away for years, many have reluctantly gone to the iPhone and Blackberry and HTC Mogol designs because they have this nasty affinity for progression and not regression.
RE: One layoff I want
No, I'm not kidding. And if someone does find the SOB dead in a cardboard box, email me a picture and I'll make it my PC's wallpaper! RE: One layoff I want
Not mercy for that smug bastard! And I hope his cardboard box is bed-beg infested too!
Palm was ahead of AIG, too
Some may recall that on Palm's 'official blog' a few months ago, they chattered away about getting manicures and pedicures during the roll-out of one of the Centro's in NYC. Here's the link to their 10/14/08 post: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/10/to-celebrate-th.html They provide for comments on their blog, and I was extremely critical of them frittering away their time on freakin' manicures and pedicures when they could be working on, oh, say, the next Palm OS? Surprise, surprise, they refused to post that comment. Now the pigeons are coming home to roost. Last conversation I had with tech support at Palm (in May of this year) closed with my commenting, "better polish of your resume, pal." I still love Garnet; and I'm mostly happy with my Treo 755p. Already have one in a drawer against the day with this one dies an untimely death. Might end up being like those folks I know still nursing Palm V and Vx's along, if Palm fails to pull out of the so-called 'years in the desert' (so-called by Mike & Dieter at Treocentral). Harold RE: Palm was ahead of AIG, too
Palm has been run like a kindergarten for years. Why else would their proudest achievements on the Palmfront the past year be coloring a Centro Olive Green? Probably many of those finely manicured hands are giving that Centro to mommy so she can put it up on the refrigerator. Hope Palm can pull off a real "hail Mary" and bring out a relatively bug-free Nova very, very soon. I can't believe that I've been fantasizing about buying another WinceMob device again and trying to find a way to stomach it in the very likely event that Palm screws their final pooch. RE: Palm was ahead of AIG, too
>>> the very likely event that Palm screws their final pooch. Spoken with true insight. Palm's mgmt issues probably come from all the leaders spending time in University business schools across the nation training our next generation. Only slightly less sad than the experts who run our government. RE: Palm was ahead of AIG, too
>the leaders spending time in University business schools across the nation training our next generation. Only slightly less sad than the experts who run our government. It's all a revolving door between Business and Government. Door whirls so fast they can't seem to remember the difference between what constituency they are accountable to when they change offices. RE: Palm was ahead of AIG, too
Joad,
From your signature I would assume that Palm's new motto is No New Taxes!
Confirmed with PR-Fluff
The official PR-fluff (love that term!) has now been confirmed & is here on TreoCentral: http://treocentral.com/content/Stories/2205-1.htm One notable excerpt:
"We're really worried what $199 BB Stroms & $199 iPhones are going to do to our remaining Treo sales. Centro sales to the teenyboppers have absolutely fallen off a cliff but we're hoping a fresh round of new colors and some new Palm-branded cases will resuscitate the line. We also didn't count on AT&T shooting down the Treo Pro and Verizon taking a pass on both the 800w and the CDMA Treo Pro. As always, our goal is not to do any serious work on Nova but instead to hoard as much cash as possible and try to stay afloat until we find a sucker to buy the company. We hope to be able to do this with a skelton crew of employees in Sunnyvale as we furiously churn out new Centro colors and work on an updated Facebook app. And, one more thing....Rubinstein has left the building"
RE: Confirmed with PR-Fluff
Oooh, "rain" colored Centros!!! Love it, baby! Paying my annual PDA update tax to Palm since 1997. RE: Confirmed with PR-FluffSeldomVisitor @ 11/21/2008 12:43:30 PM #
I wonder if they'll slip the "Nova" date. They have about a month - or much less if everyone considers that date "material' - to do so. RE: Confirmed with PR-Fluff
Got a chance to view the bosses G1 Google Phone today. Palm's Dead. Seriously, between the iPhone and Google phone why would anyone pick a Palm? If you are stuck in the 90's I guess Palm is for you. Maybe they can bundle some 90's music with the Centro. It's really just time for Palm to turn out the lights and lock the doors. It reminds me of a great athlete who doesn't know when it's time to retire and now is just embarrassing himself. Colligan can maybe hook up with one of the big 3 auto makers and help pick out new colors to paint on the crap they put out as well.
RE: Confirmed with PR-Fluffrcartwright @ 11/21/2008 5:18:10 PM #
PacManFoo. I agree that Android has promise, but from what I have got from playing with a G1 I do not think its at all ready for prime time. No doubt that Palm has to step up its game in a big way and leak the f*#$ out of Nova or the game will be over be the first half of 09. If it is not already. "Many men stumble across the truth, but most manage to pick themselves up and continue as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill RE: Confirmed with PR-Fluff
I've only been able to molest a demo model (ie, pasted-on faux screen). Man, that slider is crap. So is the keyboard. The entire thing has a cheap 99-cent store feel to it. I've seen in passing online people talking about the inconsistent UI. Eh. Give the BeOSers some sharp knives and let the best UI group win. Attn: Mike Cane-Have you fondled a Storm yet? Impressions?
To borrow a term from you, this one gets my EPIC FAIL of the year award for "best hardware ruined by a rotten OS/UI". Have you had the chonce to play with one yet? Might this finally be THE converged device to replace your LifeDrive + Nokia Tracfone combo? It's looking more and more like I might have to award my (shared) mobile hardware design of the year award to the MSI Wind + EEE 1000/1002 since neither the PSP 3000 or the 2nd-gen Sony Reader PRS-700BC were all that I was hoping they would be. RE: Confirmed with PR-Fluff
I have absolutely zero interest in the BerryStorm and would refuse to fondle one if given the chance.
Someone I have the misfortune to know just bought a Berry (not Storm) and *I* had to figure out HTF to set the Date and Time on it! What dropout from Microsoft designed that UI? Or is the UI like some sort of frikkin Secret Masonic Handshake tuned to the skewed brain frequencies of The Suit Hive Mind?
Should Palm get inline for a bailout?Tuckermaclain @ 11/21/2008 11:44:20 AM #
Probably the only way to fix the company. Hire some newly unemployed engineers and get working on Nova. I have a feeling the get Plam I will see is the Hanna Montana edition Centro with a built-in LED flashlight and a hip new color. RE: Should Palm get inline for a bailout?
Someone's violating their NDA!!! Paying my annual PDA update tax to Palm since 1997. RE: Should Palm get inline for a bailout?
Palm - here's my royalty-free PRODUCT IDEA bailout for you:
- All-Chrome Centro More ideas here: http://tinyurl.com/1nnov8e
How sunk is Palm REALLY?
So sunk that I wouldn't even waste time mocking it on my blog.
However, if they drop dead before 12/31/08 (the drop dead date of my blog), I'd gladly do a "I Dance And Spit On Your Grave" post!
Has the timeline changed, too?SeldomVisitor @ 11/22/2008 3:43:10 PM #
== "...[Spokeswoman Lynn Fox] said the OS is on track to be released == this year, and the device in the second half of 2009..." - http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20081122/tc_nm/us_palm_layoffs_1 RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
Palm OS II Devices on Track for Release in Early 2009 BY: Ed Hardy, Brighthand.com Editor PUBLISHED: 1/14/2008 According to Stephane Maes, VP Smartphone Product Marketing, Palm expects to finish work on this operating system late in 2008, and around that same time will begin distributing the tools developers need to create applications, or check compatibility of their current ones, for this new operating system. Naturally, those who are writing the software that will be bundled with the first model will get access to the SDKs well before the general public. Palm plans to have the first devices running this operating system out early in 2009. Maes says that wireless carriers are already expressing strong interest in Palm OS II - though he didn't call it that. According to rumor, the internal code-name for this platform is "Nova," but Palm itself hasn't revealed the official name. RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
>Posted on Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:48PM EST - Fox said the OS is on track to be released this year, and the device in the second half of 2009. anyone want to bet on 12-31-09? if it wasn't so tragic, it'd be comical. RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
1999 http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/10/21/palm_fuzzes_on_colour_hides/ 2002 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/06/11/palm_os_5_0_milestone/ RE: Has the timeline changed, too?SeldomVisitor @ 11/23/2008 3:41:12 AM #
The other part of that "Fox" quote I personally consider to be significant as well, though intimately dissecting a Me-Too Media retelling of a marketing person's words is somewhat hazardous...: == "...the device..." All along I'd hoped for a plethora of deviceS all communicating merrily with each other without human interaction. Dreamer! RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
IF Nova makes it onto a shipping device and IF Palm manages to avoid the grim reaper long enough, I predict the first Nova device will be...a respun version of the CDMA Treo Pro targeted squarely at Prosumers, have a 320x320 LCD screen, will debut on Sprint for $299ish w/ contract, and won't hit the market until late October/Nov/early Dec '09. In other words, entirely too little, too late, for too much and on the wrong carrier. RE: Has the timeline changed, too?SeldomVisitor @ 11/23/2008 11:21:39 AM #
The Me-Too Media article has been corrected: == "(In Nov. 21 story headlined ... "Palm cutting jobs as RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
First half of 2009... ... has CES published an Exhibitors List yet? Is Palm on it? Well, does it really matter? Whatever Steve Jobs announces at MacWorld Expo will once again drain all the light away from CES ... like a black hole! RE: Has the timeline changed, too?SeldomVisitor @ 11/23/2008 3:20:56 PM #
> First half of 2009... > > ... has CES published an Exhibitors List yet? Is Palm on it?... http://myces.bdmetrics.com/CDT-5776781/Palm-Inc-/Details.aspx RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
Looks like they have just signed up for a private meeting room from that, not actual floor space. Palm hasn't been on the floor of CES in well over 5-6 years at least. RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
of course they haven't. WTF are they going to show up with? 2003 technology? based on this crew's track record, don't hold your breath for anything. RE: Has the timeline changed, too?SeldomVisitor @ 11/24/2008 4:56:49 AM #
The "booth" is on the 2nd floor but the floor diagram suggests it's large and tall. Didn't Palm have some sort of outdoor (or something) "booth" that was indeed just a meeting room setup a show or two ago? RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
>>> All along I'd hoped for a plethora of deviceS all communicating merrily with each other without human interaction. I thot ET was banned? RE: Has the timeline changed, too?
They will show off their latest innovation: DuoTone(TM)-colored Centros.
Basically, front of one color, back of another. Hey, they had to do *something* with the extra color shells!
Time is proving me right.VampireLestat @ 11/24/2008 2:58:37 AM #
I just stumbled upon PIC and saw this thread. I am not even going to read all the comments. Shows how much I care now about Palm. This is what happens to a company when the split the hardware and OS divisions. I still use my Tungsten T5 heavily on a daily basis for PIM and MP3s. I will check back again in 2020 when Palm Nova is released. But quite frankly, as long as Palm remains a WM wh**e, my interest is all but nonexistent because I know that Nova will always been treated as 2nd class and wont give Palm's undivided attention and R&D resources.
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