Rumor: Palm m130 and m515 Revealed

> Because it was the best screen available at the time

Uhh ?? Are you serious ? I believe that the fact is "Because it was the WORST screen available at the time". CLIE has BEST screen, not PALM.

I'm always confused by people who refer to the "CLIE", like "CLIE has BEST screen, not PALM." There are quite a few models in the Clie line and some of them have some really terrible screens, like the S500C and the T415. There is also the monochrome S series, who's screens are certainly not better than the m505's. You need to be more specific.

Also, the m505 was out for a few months before the N series, which is probably what you are talking about. When the m505 was released, it had the best screen available on a Palm OS device. Since then, better screens have been introduced and now its Palm's turn for an update.

>> > Because it was the best screen available at the time

Uhh ?? Are you serious ? I believe that the fact is "Because it was the WORST screen available at the time". CLIE has BEST screen, not PALM. <<

You need a little historical perspective. When the Palm m505 was INTRODUCED, it was the best screen available at the time--certainly better than the Sony S500C, which flopped mightily in Japan. The IIIc and Visor Prism were already on the market and were brighter, but they couldn't be viewed outside. So the Palm had the most viewing options, even if it's brightness was less-than-desirable. Sony LATER came out with a better screen on the N series.

It's not known whether the whiner above bought his m505 before or after the N series was released. But I agree that said whiner should ****, because Palm was simply offering the best it had, NOT trying to rip him off. Just because the m505 had flaws doesn't mean Palm was keeping something better under raps, essentially soaking people for money with inferior products. Get a grip.

On a side note, some people simply will NEVER understand how and why this stuff happens, and that's why they'll never be satisfied with ANYTHING Palm does.
Consider:
1) In a capitalist economy, no company can maintain 90% dominance fairly, because the competition will invariably make gains in marketshare. People who point to minor gains by Handspring, Sony, Compaq, etc., claim it's a sign of "Palm's demise." No, it's merely a sign that capitalism works.
2) Sony is able to innovate faster than Palm mainly because Sony is a larger company, with more cash and therefore more $$$ for R&D. Some people act like Palm employees sit around with their thumbs up their a**es all day--that's simply not the case.
3) Just because Palm made mistakes during the Yankowski "fog" doesn't mean those will continue. Anyone who reads about what the company is CURRENTLY doing can tell that they're beginning, again, to move in the right direction. Sure, the m515 is probably more about fixing problems than it is about innovating, but you've got to fix your vehicle before you can drive it, don't you?
4) Amazingly, despite Palm's problems, despite (inevitably) lost market share, they are STILL #1. Why? Well, popular low-end options (m100), brand-name loyalty, etc. Is there anything wrong with brand-name loyalty? Lots of people admit that New Balance makes a better running shoe than Nike. Has New Balance overtaken Nike? No, and the fact that Sony's products are CURRENTLY better than Palm's doesn't mean Sony will overtake them. It also doesn't mean that Palm buyers are somehow stupid, retarded, misled, etc.--nobody claims Nike buyers are.

So to the smug Sony-loving, Palm-hating crowd: enjoy your Clie--it's a nice machine. But stop bashing Palm at every opportunity, and ESPECIALLY stop bashing people who buy Palms to satisfy your own insecurities with self-important claims of superiority. Besides, the supposed superiority of your Clie doesn't mean you're anything but what your CHARACTER shows you to be.

>..Because it was the best screen available at the time
Nope, Visor Prism definitely has better screen when M505 was released. It's brighter and adjustable.

The m505 was not by any means the best screen at the time. The Prism was definitely better, though thicker. The m505 may have been a good unit but the screen was never one of its advantages. The Sony N-Series came out very soon afterwards, especially if you count the release in Japan. They are much brighter and have four times the resolution. The fact is, Palm was trying to save money or battery life, or for some other reason, decided to use a low quality screen. It was NOT the best available. The higher quality of the N-Series screen can't be attributed to only advancement over time because the new Palms still haven't matched the Clie's resolution and it has been several months since then.
And to whoever said it's stupid to say that Clies are better than Palms because there are several kinds of Clies... well, there are several kinds of both.
My intent here isn't to bash Palm in general, just on the m505's screen. That was BAD. The current improvement is more of just because they have their act together than an increase in technology.

-Ia3n
Director, Ministry of Truth

<< So who's bashing who whenever they got the chance now?? >>

I think it's a fair statement to say that there is WAY too much bashing on ALL sides of the platform going on on this site.

It really doesn't matter where it started. What matters is that this is Palm INFO Center, as in INFORMATION. As in, read news, post questions/answers, and offer opinions. Unfortunately, WAY too many people who post here focus their opinions too much on the "My PDA can beat up your PDA" argument. I've seen it from proponents of ALL PalmOS devices--Palm, Sony, Handspring, even Handera. It's just plain sickening.

People, IT IS A MACHINE!!!!!!!! YOU WILL EVENTUALLY ABANDON IT FOR ANOTHER MACHINE!!!!!!! AND YOU MIGHT SWITCH BRANDS WHEN YOU DO!!!!!! WHAT'S MORE, EVEN IF YOU SWITCH, YOU'LL PROBABLY REMAIN WITH THE SAME PLATFORM!!!!!!

Why is that so hard to understand?
And why is it necessary to try to argue what's the "best PDA?" Do people argue what the best cross-training shoe is? Best automobile? Best desktop computer? (Apple-lovers notwithstanding) Best brand of jeans? Best ice cream? Best answering machine? No! The beauty of capitalism & competition is that there are different products from different companies, and we all have a choice. If you're so small-minded that you insist on acting like a 2-year-old and attempting to elevate YOUR brand (no matter what it is) by reducing the others, my first inclination is to tell you to play on a very crowded highway, please. But in the spirit of rational discussion, I'll merely ask you to take a look at yourself in the mirror and consider just how foolish you look.

Why all this fuzz about which PDA is better?
I think Palm, Handera and Sony devices are targeted on different markets;

Palm is the "mainstream" PDA which everybody recognizes as being a "Palm", well done and trusty,
for "everyday" use.

Handera, TRG and Sony make enhanced, state of the art PDAs for more demanding users or people who know how to take advantage of their especial features.

As simple as that, so dont compare oranges and apples.

This forum, more than most, cries out for a draconian moderator.

I almost bought the 505, but will wait for the 515.

If the "rough finish" is similar to the V, then I'm fine with that.

I like the following Palm PDAs for:

Sony N series: multimedia, form factor & expandability

Handspring Prism: THE Pioneer in 65K colours that got Sony interested in colour

Handspring Treo: Another pioneer in FULL-INTEGRATED communicator, hope they wld release the color version in no time

Palm V/m5xx series: Pioneers in the slim form factor

The m130 uses the so called "universal" connector, while the m100 does not. So, I don't think your camera will fit.

So you mean to say that I could not use the Hotsync cable of the m100 with the m130???

Bravo, ColonelKlink. What a mind, to just go off and make your own connector.

And Ed. It is about time someone noticed that the M125-130 should have been called the M325-330, or maybe the M325-255.

when I get a PC, I know it will be outdated in less than a year, so I choose one that suits me at that time... when I get a PDA, I do the same thing... I will get the m515 not because is perfect for the next 5 years but because it suits my needs now and has color. maybe I'll change it next year with a ARM based PDA.

C_Blue

Don't get technology... get tools to do the job...

That is how Palm can distinguish two market segments, I guess.
Otherwise everybody will buy the m130, and
no one will get the 515.

ted

> why do Palm Support keep telling me that OS4.1 offers nothing new when it clearly does

Because they are evil minions of Satan who enjoy lying to people. In fact, they get a bonus what they pass the 10,000 lie mark. They also like to sit around and laugh about the lies they tell to other support trolls.

It's either that or the changes in the OS you are complaining that you don't have are on an unreleased handheld so they aren't available yet. They aren't on the version of OS 4.1 that ships on the Sony models.

You should give up complaining about the m505's screen. You knew what it looked like when you bought it. If you really didn't like it, why didn't you return it?