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Kinoma Player and Kinoma Producer Review By Davy Fields 6/19/2002 Kinoma Player arrived on the scene about a week ago, fulfilling a desire expressed by many Clié owners all across the Internet, people wanting high-resolution video for their devices, and some even fantasizing about full screen videos on the new NR70’s. In this review, I’ll be covering Kinoma Player and Producer, with a special emphasis on creating and playing 320 by 480 videos.
Kinoma Producer Kinoma Producer ships with many different device presets, idealized settings for many different machines. It should be noted that Kinoma Player and Producer can do smaller, regular-res video clips, and since the Player itself is free, this is quite a nice prospect for video on all Palm handhelds. Most of the videos you produce will be in "Cinepak Mobile" form, which appears to be a mode that can be viewed in every Palm OS device. It is based on the patented Cinepak video algorithm that helped launch the digital video era in the 1990's. More on Cinepak Mobile’s quality later. The Producer can make movies up to 320 by 480, but there’s a caveat. Apple’s QuickTime 5 Pro is required to flip the movies 90 degrees so the movie fits on the NR70 series' screen. The lack of an internal converter on the handheld, or at least one in Kinoma Producer, is bothersome (as QuickTime 5 costs $30 by itself), but the company promised to fix it in the future. Kinoma Producer can encode movies up to thirty frames a second, but as they say in Detroit, your mileage may vary. Much of the time setting it at 15 frames for a high-res movie is pushing the limit. The audio can also be set in many different ways, from uncompressed, to disabling it, to my personal favorite "Clié Audio". This encodes the movie’s sound in a rate up to 66 kbps Stereo, and it sounds fantastic in headphones, but very quiet out of the NR70V's speaker. Interestingly enough, you can encode audio without a video picture, so if you’re every looking for a different way to store MP3’s, this is it. In fact, Kinoma Producer has convert from QuickTime, MPEG-1, AVI, MP3, WAVE, AIFF, Macromedia Flash, animated GIF, PNG, and JPEG. You can select the background for the movie, although this is silly if you fill up the screen. I either left it as white or black, although you can select an image. The conversion goes quickly enough, but the file size is definitely not a petite thing. A James Bond Trailer that I’ve used as my test subject takes up 5.1 MB, for a high-end 320x480 movie that is 1:00.9 seconds of length. At that rate, it’s about twelve seconds a megabyte, which means a standard 22-minute converted show would take up about 110 MB on a memory card. Ouch. Kinoma Producer is $20 as a competitive upgrade if you provide the code for another video program, or $30 otherwise. They offer Mac OS X, OS 9, and, of course, your Windows flavor of the application.
Kinoma Player It can run videos directly off a VFS memory card, and it does it well, supporting either the Palm/Launcher or Palm/Programs/Kinoma directories. My Bond movie is moving about 80 kilobytes per second off the stick, but it handles admirably on the NR70V. We know that it sounds great, and that the movies tend to be large, now on to the most important part of any video player, how does it look? In my own opinion, it looks pretty nice. To call this a high-resolution player is by name alone, because as you can see in the screenshots, it is clearly not as high-res as, say, an image in a photo viewer. I’m going to refer to it as sort of a "medium-res", it’s blocky, but it looks much better in motion. This is similar to the way a single frame of a VCR recording doesn't look all that great but the video in motion looks fine. Scattered throughout this review are some freeze-frame images. I had a problem converting these images from my Clié using the Macintosh program, but the developers of Screenshot 1.7 were nice enough to convert them for this review. In general, these look better in motion. If you want to see what I’m referring to, visit Kinoma’s website and check out their samples. Now, what do I think about the video quality? I think it’s fantastic! Many people had set their expectations too high upon hearing of the player: A Palm, even the new Clié, runs at tiny fractions of your computer’s speed. That MPEG file will not look the same as it does on your computer; fortunately, it still looks fine on the Palm. You can play gMovies with Kinoma player, since Kinoma Player is an extension of it, and in comparing the same clip on both, the Kinoma Player is a noticeable improvement. If you are wondering how this happened, a while back Generic Media decided to stop working on gMovie. Kinoma has licensed it and will keep developing it.
Conclusion However, as the screen size shrinks, the usefulness does as well. 320 by 240 movies for a normal high res device definitely start to lose ground on their low-res competitors in video quality, compared to, say, a gMovie. That being said, it’s still easily the best movie player if you’ve got a Clié, and due to the fact that Kinoma Player is free, it’s the best movie player out there, right now anyway. Someday with OS 5 devices we’ll get true high-res players, but until that day comes this is the best thing available. |
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RE: So is there a movie repository somewhere?
Compatibility
Anyway, now I use both.
How big?
RE: How big?
It is difficult to say how big a file is because you have a lot of options for encoding movies. Not only can you pick your display size, you also have different options for the audio. The best answer I can give you is a 30 second hi-res video with decent audio is roughly 1.4 MB.
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News Editor
RE: How big?
"A James Bond Trailer that I’ve used as my test subject takes up 5.1 MB, for a high-end 320x480 movie that is 1:00.9 seconds of length. At that rate, it’s about twelve seconds a megabyte, which means a standard 22-minute converted show would take up about 110 MB on a memory card."
"It can run videos directly off a VFS memory card, and it does it well, supporting either the Palm/Launcher or Palm/Programs/Kinoma directories."
RE: How big? cache?
RE: How big?
I'm not a programmer (aside from goofing around in basic and cobol), but it appears to buffer the video stream in RAM. Does a better job of it than most. In TealMovie, there is a slight difference in frame rate when you play from the card, in FireViewer there is a big difference with little or no buffering.
My only complaint so far is that the sound is optimized for better speakers than the ones in a typical Palm, and as a result the low frequencies are overdriven and distorted even with the volume low. TealMovie does an excellent job with the sound, making even singing and speech understandable on that little peizo that Palm uses. There is no option for low frequency filtering in Kinoma. So now I am in the quandry of being able to play clear smooth video directly from the card for hours on end, and I can't understand what they are saying!!
True high-res.
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Ne0
RE: True high-res.
Any good for Clies other than NR70?
Thanks in advance...
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Jeff Meyer
RE: Any good for Clies other than NR70?
Tip DS
RE: Any good for Clies other than NR70?
not impressed so far..
So far, I wish that I had not. Most of the heavy lifting has to be done with other programs...and requires more expertise than it should. Rotating the picture AND keeping the sound at the same time apparently requires an act of god.
The program is based upon quicktime so, in essence, if QT can't do it, then neither can Kinoma. Most of the video clips that I have tried to convert have failed because of this. Forget anything in DiVX. Only 1 type of MPEG works. None of the windows formats work, etc, etc...
RE: not impressed so far..
Tip DS
File Size
The Playback is at 12 FPS and the video is full screen (320 x 428). File size is 9.8 mb.
The Die another Day Trailer I have is 260 x 480 59 sec. in length and 3.8mb.
RE: File Size
Tip DS
Setting NR on its side open slightly
I glad you mentioned setting the NR on a table and leaving it open a crack. I've been on the edge of this new Kinoma player/producer and I'm currently trying to get rotating to the Left as the standard for encoding clips. Now I have the producer and can make my own clips and rotate them anyway I want, but I think to the Left is the best way because of the headphone jack, jog wheel and the direction that the NR screen rotates. If the clips are rotated to the Left you can not only set the NR on its side with the headphone plugged in, you also have access to the jog wheel and you can tilt the screen a little bit before the screen flips so you have a better viewing angle.
There are may Right-handers out there that would prefer the clip to be rotated to the Right so they can hold the NR at the hinge side and still use their stylus with Right hand. This a smaller factor than what I've mentioned above.
Hopefully Kinoma is watching these message boards and will include a feature to flip the clips 180 degrees so that not only could you set your NR on its side, but you could also have it open and flipped with the IR port facing you when watching smaller clips
Also, what about battery life. Has anyone tried to watch a 22-30 minute clip and how much battery is left. Someone reported playing the HiRes+ Spiderman clip from internal memory on a loop for 10 minute or so and half the battery was gone.
RE: Setting NR on its side open slightly
Additional Review Comments
The quality of video and sound this player puts out is by far the best right now. I've had some trouble converting certain videos, but for the most part, I can download trailers, videos, Simpsons episodes, etc. and convert and view them! Sometimes the sound comes slightly out of sync with the video by the end of the clip, but reducing the frame rate to 10 frames/sec eliminates this...and you still get pretty good quality. Kinoma is working on this problem, though...so no worries.
Realistically, you CAN view videos and small movies on your Clie with this program. For example, you can load an entire Simpsons episode on your memory stick and it will take around 30mb or less.
320 x 240 is pretty good quality for viewing videos in your palm!
RE: Additional Review Comments
File size is not bad - okay Div-X is a long way off, but Mpeg1 films encoded from http://www.pocketmovies.net/ only grow a small amount at reasonable quality settings.
I have had random problems with sound sync, but somtimes reencoding the move at a different frame rate solves this hitch. I get the impression that Kinoma will be further improved in the future solving this problem.
Overall this is a top product and a Jaw Dropper. I have several Clie Audio 320x240 files I am willing to share - if I had somwhere to put them.
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kHiTeDev
Share your hi-res+ (320x480) movie trailers?
If any of you have made kinoma hi-res+ movie trailers/music videos, could you post them here?
Thanks in advance!
RE: Share your hi-res+ (320x480) movie trailers?
Is there a place here to host some trailers. I have:
Minority Report
MIB2
Matrix Reloaded
Austin Powers - Goldmember
The Sum of All Fears
Die Another Day
Windtalders
Spiderman
all in 320x480 (rotated to Left)
RE: Share your hi-res+ (320x480) movie trailers?
You'll get benefits, as well. I'm looking in the group's Files section right now and there are already a bunch of videos in there in various sizes.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kvu/
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News Editor
RE: Share your hi-res+ (320x480) movie trailers?
I'm working on getting a place for us to host hi-res+ trailers. Is there a way I can get in touch with you once I have that set up? You can email me your info at pic9809@hotmail.com.
Please explain the discount method...
Yahoo group for Kinoma users
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kvu/
You will need a Yahoo ID to join.
RE: Yahoo group for Kinoma users
That rules it out for me. I joined the Yahoo M505 group when I had one of those, and got spammed with investment schemes. When I joined the Yahoo Clie group I got spammed with pornography. All this after two years of having a spam free address. I hate to think what's next.
Returning my Clie
RE: Returning my Clie
Battery Life
This is a great first step for Palm users. Nice work Kinoma.
RE: Battery Life
my dear DIV-X ?
i know that tealmovie does (SLOWWWLY), but gmovie (which uses quicktime) does not.
any takers?
anyone know of a DVD-to-Palm solution?
Can't say enough
As for the PPC's, no way. I've seen plenty of clips on a PPC. While your mileage may certainly vary, I've yet to see any lag, dropouts, or freezes in Kinoma on a Clie than in Media Player on a high end Compaq PPC at comparable frame rates. And consider that Strongarms are over 200 MHz, whereas Dragonballs run at 33 and 66. Imagine what Kinoma will do on a StrongArm!
For the longest time I thought I would have to go (back) to the PPC platform if I was ever going to enjoy long, full color, high framerate video clips. Not any more. Even though the review was favorable, I just wanted to add my 2 cents. This thing takes video on the PDA to a whole new level.
RE: Can't say enough
Kinoma Player
I had to deleted it and it is working again.
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So is there a movie repository somewhere?
Is there anywhere else we can find some viewing goodies (besides Kinoma's website)?