Rumor: More on the Sony SJ30

Posted By: Ed Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:52:45 AM

The German website xonio.com has more information on the not-yet-announced Sony PEG-SJ30. The site was able to learn that this model will have 16 MB of RAM and its hi-res screen will have 16-bit color. This comes at the tradeoff of being heavier than the SL10, weighing in at almost 5 ounces. It is expected to be available in Europe in September. Models are usually available in the U.S. before they are in Europe.

xonio.com was also able to come up with a picture, which shows that the SJ30's casing is much less dark than the SL10, its sister model, and has chrome buttons.

The SL10 and SJ30 are apparently the same size, which means they should be able to use the same cases. It was already known that the SL10, another model named the SJ20, and the SJ30 will all have T-series HotSync ports, so they can use many of the same peripherals, like keyboards.

The SJ30 will use a 33 MHz Dragonball processor and have an internal rechargeable battery. It has a Memory Stick slot and Jog Dial with a Back button. However, it lacks the USB port on the side that the SL10 has. It comes with a cradle and will cost about $300.

Thanks to Eric for the tip. BTW, before any of you point out that xonio.com has some info on the T675C, I want to point out that this is just the European version of the T665C, not a whole new model. -Ed

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Why when there's already T615c?

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:02:26 AM #
Some specs, i don't see why Sony would discontinue T615 and release another model later...
To me, same machine, new case... yay!!!!

I think this is another Sony marketing strategy

RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:11:00 AM #
I wonder if the screen is better - this (plus the case and buttons) would be the only difference.
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:15:36 AM #
the only difference is, this one is shorter, it'll replace T615 for sure.

The T series will probably be upgraded to OS 5 Palm Device soon after.

yeah, i want one
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:22:13 AM #
if its 300 bucks, ill snatch up one of these in a second!
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 11:55:00 AM #
With comsumer products mindset, different shape is good enough reason for new model.
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 1:02:21 PM #
hope the price is lower than $300 (lower than T615) and has a screen which is similar to NR series. NR series's screen look much better than T-series
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
terrysalmi @ 7/30/2002 1:31:19 PM #
The T615c is probably losing money for Sony right now with the metal case, etc. They probably save a few bucks by making it plastic...

RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 1:36:28 PM #
are u suggesting that sony will make money if they save a few bucks on the casing ?

if changing the plastic case just to save a few bucks and still losing money, why don't they save the designing cost, and just ripoff the thin layer of metal on T615 and sell it ?

sometimes it's really a mystery how some people develope their logical sense

RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 3:07:31 PM #
what the hell are you talking about? wow...how did YOU develop your sense of logic?
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 3:09:08 PM #
They made it thicker--could be that this one has better battery life than the T615C.
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
hotpaw4 @ 7/30/2002 3:29:37 PM #
Three complaints about the t615c were the short battery life, the nearly useless up/down rocker button and the poor reds on the color LCD. This model fits nearly the same spot in the product line-up, but might fix those 3 problems and also lower the manufacturing cost. Incremental improvement of a successful mid-range product niche; makes sense to me.

RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 3:31:31 PM #
their weight will be the same, so if sj30 use plastic case, the battery will be longer

the SJ30 will be use to compete with m130, it's a low end color screen pda when OS5 is out

RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 9:15:34 AM #
Same old stuff in a new box. Where is the innovation?
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 11:24:16 AM #
shut up. this is a low end color device. where is palm or handsprings hi-res, sub $300 pda? sony has streched OS 4 to the max, they cant do anymore to advace this simple platform.

you want innovation? wait till sony starts making OS 5 pda's...

RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 12:40:41 PM #
I'm sick of the "innovation" bandwagon. Every single PDA that comes out will not have new features! A product line has so many different target audiences that sometimes companies tweak proven designs to fit into their line. Can we PLEASE not bag on every single pda that comes out without an earth-shattering new feature? This year's Geo Metro has a different body than last year's Geo Metro--it makes it new. I'm betting that there aren't very many new features in it.
RE: Why when there's already T615c?
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/2002 9:08:01 PM #
Near as I can tell, another difference that some may care about is that the SJ30 doesn't have the long range IR port; no remote control functions included.

Ben

SJ30 = T665C - (mp3 + 66mHz dragonball)

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:09:23 AM #
Hmmmmm. Now if i could just get a T665C with SJ30 buttons....
RE: SJ30 = T665C - (mp3 + 66mHz dragonball)
Boze @ 7/30/2002 10:12:43 AM #

Or maybe, SJ30=Palm m130 + big Hi-Res screen + 8 meg

For $50 more, could be worth it to a lot of people.


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Boze
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RE: SJ30 = T665C - (mp3 + 66mHz dragonball)
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:50:14 AM #
Also, + Jog dial + Back button + Better looking.
RE: SJ30 = T665C - (mp3 + 66mHz dragonball)
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 1:31:23 AM #
It's more like SJ30=T615c. A lot easier there...
RE: SJ30 = T665C - (mp3 + 66mHz dragonball)
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 4:32:13 AM #
Except I don't think that if the SJ30 is like the SL10, it doesn't have remote control capabilities nor have the enhanced speaker of the T- and NR-series devices.

And I don't know what that "+ JogDial + Back Button ..." post means, because both the SJ30 and the T665C have Jog Dials and Back buttons...

RE: SJ30 = T665C - (mp3 + 66mHz dragonball)
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 11:15:27 AM #
(Also, + Jog dial + Back button + Better looking.) is referring to the post above it and is comparing the features the Clie SJ30 has that the m130 does not have. Sounds like it's understandable to most people anyway:):)

photoshop...

I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:13:16 AM #
they probably just photoshoped it ...
RE: photoshop...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 11:43:29 AM #
um, hello! the sl-10 manual mentions the sj-30! this thing is coming out very soon. and the picture is not photoshopped.

i bet you are the same moron who said the osolo picture was a photoshop image!

RE: photoshop...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 11:54:53 AM #
What people don't realize is that ALL pictures on websites are photoshopped. Well, on promotional sites, anyway. You have to to make the screens look good.
RE: photoshop...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 1:01:14 PM #
I didn't comment on Oslo at all
but it's obvious this picture (not even photo) is photoshopped.
RE: photoshop...
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/31/2002 5:54:35 AM #
Idiots! They're all photoshopped. There are no palm devices at all. The entire palm economy is an elaborate hoax, and you fell for it. Whew. I feel better now I got that off my chest.
RE: photoshop...
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/1/2002 3:43:00 AM #
LOL - this was a good one!

Too Many Sony devices

jgb9348 @ 7/30/2002 10:09:34 AM #
In my own opinion I feel that Sony is releasing too many products that have similar abilities. While they may be superior to the technologies Palm has now (hi-res screen, jog dial, etc), Sony is losing a great deal of money on development for these units because each unit has to go under manufacturing, production, and development. While Sony may have a lot of devices that share ~10% of the market, a single device by them might have at most ~2%, while Palm with their few devices might have 10% of the market share in ONE device (Palm m505). This shouldn't discourage Sony, I think its great that constant work is being done by them to improve their share of the market, but I think they are trying to hard to release a device that will please everyone, and should focus on a few different groups (new users-students, etc: palm m100 series, intermediate users-palm m500, and corporate/high-end users: m505/m515 & i705).

Plus, they should stop worrying about OS 4.1 and focus on releasing faster devices that run on OS 5.0!

--Maybe they found out that their Hi-Res+ screen development using a 'different' version of OS 5.0 is failing, so they will try to release other OS 4.1 models because they got their 320x480 screens perfect on OS 4.1 :-D

-jeremy

RE: Too Many Sony devices
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:18:19 AM #
well according to sony's theory, the most expensive part is hiring the engineer, if their engineers designed it, they might as well release it. :P
RE: Too Many Sony devices
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:20:49 AM #
"Plus, they should stop worrying about OS 4.1 and focus on releasing faster devices that run on OS 5.0!"

I don't think that you have to worry that Sony is going to slack-up on OS 5.0. Look what they did to OS 4. Now that OS 5.0 enable them to have a significantly faster processor to play with, it's actually kinda scary what they will come up with.

I think that Sony will be concentrating mostly on multimedia. I think that when they first started to develope the Clie, they said that you can potenially use the Clie to watch TV shows and movies most likely stored in memory sticks.

All I know is that I can't wait to see what Sony is going to come up with.

READ READ READ
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 10:58:06 AM #
I'm not accusing you guys of anything, but rather offering a reminder that people *TEND TO FORGET* that just because 2 models may have similar or identical features, doesn't meant their cost is the same!

Remember the m100??? The Palm IIIxe was (is) superior to that machine, in my opinion, yet it cost significantly less for Palm to *produce* the unit, therefore offering them the opportunity to eventually lower the price to $100 and still keep (what they consider) a reasonable profit margin.

This machine may be easier to produce. If if even saves Sony $15 on the cost of this unit.....trust me....they'll convert.

Sony knows DARN WELL that these units will almost immediately be categorized as mid-range to low-end models.....my *suspicion* is that they're preparing for that type of price structure.

Sometimes we forget about the science/art of manufacturing around here.

..........or, I could be wrong, and Sony is just flat-out effin' crazy...........

RE: Too Many Sony devices
sandbuck @ 7/30/2002 11:01:01 AM #
Oh, the wailing and nashing of teeth over Sony and their evil product strategey.... get real man!

www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3874&MODE=FLAT#57713

Not enough
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 11:03:56 AM #
All I want is a WIRELESS 760 with more memory and a faster process. The size is fine. Is this or something similiar in the works????????
Yes, and Nike makes too many kinds of shoes
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 11:26:29 AM #
I agree. I have always thought that companies like Nike lose too much money by making too many kinds of shoes. They should make a couple of mens and a couple of womens shoes and that's it. They could fire a whole lot of their development people and run fewer ads. Then they wouldn't be losing so much money.

Come to think of it, why do car makers make so many different kinds cars? I mean, a Toyota and a Lexus often come from the same factory.

The guy who posted the first message in this thread must be a marketing genius, vastly superior to the likes of the marketing people at Sony, Nike, and Toyota.

RE: Too Many Sony devices
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 12:23:10 PM #
Your comments have flaws. Nike sells many shoes because EVERYBODY NEEDS SHOES, so they have enough demand constantly to fill the R&D. But, look at all these cars and realize it's never more than 10 just with updates and options.
Sony is just foolish. They keep designing these new standards and can't even stick to a numbering scheme!Sure, according to that article it passed up Handspring, ON THE SALES OF VISORS. Pop in the Treos and *poof* it soars above Sony.

My hate of Sony stems from the SNES DSP Chip.

RE: Too Many Sony devices
jgb9348 @ 7/30/2002 12:35:40 PM #
I understand everyones comments about my originial thread, and I do (believe it or not) think it is good that Sony has so many devices (to make everyone they possibly can happy), but my main comment is that Sony is spending too much money on Advertisement and Development over subtle differences in their PDAs. Even in this thread, someone commented on: "All I want is a WIRELESS 760 with more memory and a faster process. The size is fine. Is this or something similiar in the works????????", once again, with all of these devices they aren't satisfying everyone! I think Sony is a great company with superior products, but some of their marketing standards are odd, however the main reason a company can do this is because they have plenty of Capital (from every other product Sony makes-CD players, Stereos, Televisions, etc).

-jeremy

RE: Too Many Sony devices
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 12:47:47 PM #
After reading these threads I am totally confused by all the devices that Sony is releasing. I thought OS5 was coming out in a month or so. so many right before a major release!!!
RE: Too Many Sony devices
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 1:02:52 PM #
these are all moving to the low end market. which means there'll be no OS5 handheld below $300 dollars in at least 6 to 12 months.
THESE MAKE PERFECT SENSE
I.M. Anonymous @ 7/30/2002 2:41:16 PM #
Nor should there be. OS 5 will be brand new, and won't offer any perceivable BENEFITS (not features) to the low-end market compared to OS 4.

Again, these will be mid-low end devices that Sony will be able to sell at cheap prices, and still turn a profit.

You guys must all live in a mystical magical dreamworld where it costs the same to produce a IIIxe as it does an m100 or 105, so why even bother with the IIIxe???

These complaints are a joke.

Sony needs low-end penetration also, especially if it wants to move as many total units as Palm. If they're to do this, they need to find a way to make units like the 615c *CHEAPLY* so that they can sell them for a low price and not take a hit.

Sony is guilty of introducing new models too quickly, but the point of these latest introductions should be clear & understood to anybody who comprehends wharehousing, manufacturing, and oh.....anyone who has a BRAIN!

You guys are expecting the price to come down on a Cadillac to the point where an eighteen year old can afford it. THAT AIN'T HOW IT WORKS!!! Sony can't make money by continuing to churn out t615s and sell them as their low-end product for $200.....the initial cost of making a 615 is too high.

Get out of La-La land, folks.

These units make PERFECT SENSE!

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