Compex Intros Bluetooth Access Point
CES 2003: Compex, a networking and connectivity provider introduced the BTE201 Bluetooth Wireless Access Point as CES 2003. The BTE201 enables up to seven Bluetooth enabled devices to connect concurrently to a network with a range of 10 meters (30 feet).
The Compex BTE201 is compliant with Bluetooth 1.1 (Class 2 range). It supports 3 main Bluetooth profiles: Dial-up Networking, LAN access profile and File Transfer profile. Bluetooth devices with LAN access profile or Dial-up profile support will be able to connect through the BTE201 to resources on the network. Besides print and files sharing, Bluetooth equipped PDA’s can hotsync with remote PC’s anywhere on the network. In addition the BTE201 supports File transfer via OBEX (Object Exchange Protocol).
The Compex BTE201 enables up to seven Bluetooth devices to be connected simultaneously having network coverage of up to 10 meters (30 feet). It uses the license free 2.4GHz ISM band for wireless transmission of up to 1Mbps. The BTE201 also has a gateway mode. In this mode it functions as a internet gateway supporting static IP, dynamic IP or PPPoE client mode connection to ADSL/Cable modems. The built in NAT function allows multiple Bluetooth devices to send and receive data through the internet.
The device is expected in retail and online around March of this year. Pricing is not yet known and we are still waiting for Compex to post product information on their website.
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RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
I was previously unaware that accessing a class 3 (30 meter range) BT wireless access point would consume more power than if you were using a class 2 BT WAP.
RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
That's my .02
RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
I'll put it another way. If you have a laptop, you probably have 802.11 hardware built in or added on. Fine. You might have a BT dongle for connecting to your phone for access when you're away from an 802.11 access point. Fine. Given the choice, you'd use an 802.11 access point at home, not a BT one which I believe most people would agree with.
Let's say you have a PDA. It has 802.11. Fine, get an access point for it to work at home, and forgo connectivity on the road.
Now let's say your PDA has BT. You have connectivity on the road with a BT phone. At home or in the office, you use a BT access point. But is it worth it? After all, the BT transmitters in PDA's are very low power - class 3. That's 30 feet max, at optimal (no walls) environments. You would basically have to stand around the access point, or at least relatively close. It doesn't matter how powerful the access point is - the PDA BT device is the limiting factor.
So what you basically have is a BT access point that only works in a small area. I have a class 1 device (300 feet effective) but when it communicated with any BT PDA I have (or my roommate's), it can barely make it 15 feet thanks to the low powered BT in the PDAs. Your options are to either sit in a spot near where you place the access point, or place more than one around your home/apartment if you move around.
If these access points were cheap (say, $20 a pop), it might be ok, but I have a feeling that they will be in the $100 and up range when they first start selling.
That's quite expensive for an access point which will in all likelihood only be servicing your PDA in a very limited area, don't you think? Especially when you can get decent USB class 1 BT dongles (the Belkin's are excellent) for your PC for $25 and basically get the same thing...?
These access points are nice, but it all comes down to this:
What will they interface with? Laptops? Possibly, but 802.11 seems to be a better solution in that regard. PCs? I guess, though even 802.11 has more bandwidth than BT's max of around 1mbps, making it a very slow networking solution. That leaves PDAs and... what else?
Bluetooth vs. 802.11b: The access network perspective
-Bluetooth vs. 802.11b: The access network perspective (interesting and must read imho)
-Security: Bluetooth vs 802.11
-January 14, 2003 -- Strong Growth for Bluetooth Chipsets in Spite of Economy
-PDA's, Products, Reviews, Compatibility, Setups etc.
-Bluetooth Stacks from Palm, Microsoft, Symbian, Linux and Apple
-Software support for PalmOS, PPC, Symbian and Bluetooth e.g Games, Calendaring/Scheduling solution, SMS, Print Software etc.
-Bluetooth Usuage: Gaming, Medical, Telematics, Notebooks, Phones, PDA's, USB adapters, Printing, Mouse, Keyboard, Audio, Tracking etc.
-Bluetooth GPS Solutions
-Telematics and Wireless
-Wireless SDIO Card News
-Apple to integrate Bluetooth into laptops
etc.
http://bluetooth.weblogs.com/discuss/msgReader$511?mode=topic
Shortly:
-802.11 => Networking
-Bluetooth => Mobility (+ Networking function but much slower)
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=4836#72601
"....Bluetooth access points present a very attractive alternative to Wi-Fi for many applications that value security and low power consumption. I strongly urge you to consider evaluating this technology very carefully before blindly jumping on the Wi-Fi bandwagon… especially if that bandwagon runs on batteries."
http://www.planetpdamag.com/content/052202rt.htm
There have been many debates as to which is the ultimate wireless technology that will prevail, and I fully subscribe to the suggestion that Bluetooth is a wire replacement technology, whereas 802.11b is more suitable for network connectivity. However, in certain environments, Bluetooth can be an attractive option for setting up a network.
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2002/11/21/bluetooth.html?page=last&x-showcontent=text
802.11 is still prefered in most environments imho.
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=BTOOTH&read=624
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
Bluetooth Power/Range Classes 1, 2 & 3
Power Class 1: is designed for long range (~100m/330
feet) devices, with a max output power of 20 dBm,
Power Class 2: for ordinary range devices (~10m/33 feet) devices, with a max output power of 4 dBm,
Power Class 3: for short range devices (~10cm/3.3feet) devices, with a max output power of 0 dBm.
Bluetooth 330 Feet (100 meter) Range Devices
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=BTOOTH&read=515
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
No...
Am I helping yet?
RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
Bluetooth will never replace 802.11 because they are fundamentally different and serve different purposes. BT's bandwidth is pitiful in comparison, but for what it does, there doesn't really need to be much more. Possibly in the future, a successor to BT or 802.11 will integrate BTs low power requirements with 802.11s range, but until then, I find it annoying to try and adapt BT applications to ones better suited bt 802.11.
However, with Impartial's quick reply, it looks like BT access points *can* be viable product.
RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
Why doesn't someone create some sort of battery powered unit that one one hand connects to your PDA via bluetooth, and links you to your 802.11 wireless network on the other side. Take along something the size of a pack of cigarettes to "boost" your power.
If they are coming out with a 802.11 SD card, such a unit could be loaded up with battery storage.
Would something like this be compatible between the two wireless protocols?
Just a thought...
Bluetooth-Wi-Fi Access Points
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=AILONET
PicoBlue II Combines Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Access Points
http://www.pico.net/news_items/news_trimode_demo.html
Strix Systems 802.11a and Bluetooth access point
http://www.strixsystems.com/product.html
Possio PX20 is an access point which combines both Bluetooth and WLAN into a single device.
http://www.possio.com/split.asp?cat=3&prod=wireless&dynfile=px20product&id=english&dh=3
Red-M 1050AP Access Point provides an excellent introduction to Bluetooth networking. Alternatively, multiple access points can be installed on the LAN and managed by a central server running Red-M's Genos wirelessware.
http://www.red-m.com/products/1050AP/
Genos is an in-building wireless data and voice software solution that provides control, management, security, policy, roaming and other services for multiple types of wireless devices (PDA, PC, phone, tablets, headsets etc.), different wireless technologies (802.11a, b, g wireless LAN, Bluetooth, etc.) and multiple vendors' access points.
http://www.red-m.com/products/genos/
http://www.edcwireless.com/BTgenos.htm
SuperBT's SBT-2000 and SBT-4000 merges W-Fi and Bluetooth technologies without interference or loss of performance, enabling Ethernet connectivity for a whole range of mobile devices such as handheld computers (PDAs), laptops, web pads, mobile phones and emerging application specific devices.
http://www.superbt.com/superbt/id11.html
SBT-4000 Wireless Access Point
http://www.superbt.com/superbt/id24.html
Wireless Networks Inc: BlueLAN™ Wireless Gateway enables mobile and semi-mobile Bluetooth devices to access the LAN or WAN.
http://www.wirelessnetworksinc.com/product.php?id=2
WNI Universal Wireless Gateway provides both wired and wireless access by integrating 802.11b, Bluetooth, and Ethernet technologies in a single gateway.
http://www.wirelessnetworksinc.com/product.php?id=8
Inventel is offering the DBW-250 and EBW-250 access points for wireless LANs (WLANs) combining both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth technology.
http://www.inventel.com/VO/dbw250.html
http://www.inventel.com/VO/point_acces.html
NewLogic Technologies wireless multisystem intellectual property solution supporting the Bluetooth 1.1 standard as well as the WLAN 802.11a/b/g standards.
http://www.allnetdevices.com/wireless/news/2002/06/21/newlogic_goes.html
Axis and Consafe cooperate to deliver wireless access points to Chilean Internet service provider
http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=print_page&articleID=NEe0113222.7iw&doc_id=
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
RE: BT APs for a very small purpose?
Bluetooth will never replace 802.11 like 802.11 will never replace Bluetooth.
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
Batteries
Am I helping yet?
BT access point connects to what?
My home network uses a Linux-powered server with cable modem. From there, a router leads to a couple of desktops, one running Linux and another Windows.
I assume most BT access points will only connect to Windows initially, so can I hang the thing off the Windows desktop and still have it work?
Same question about 802.11b access points.
Thanks!
Stewart Midwinter
PDA user since 1992
Handera HE330 and Compaq Aero 2110
RE: BT access point connects to what?
RE: BT access point connects to what?
RE: BT access point connects to what?
Bluetooth Stacks from Palm, Microsoft, Symbian, Linux and Apple
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=PALM&read=43149
"There are 2 kind of people my friend....those with wires and those without"
Tungsten T network access profile fixed yet?
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BT APs for a very small purpose?
I think BT access points are an ok idea (if they come down in price), but will the main uses be only for PDAs and such?
Because 802.11a/b/g is better for laptops and PCs where battery life is not such a concern as on a PDA, not to mention better coverage and bandwidth. For something like a Tungsten or IPaq to use the access point, it was to be closer than 10 meters, since they are almost always Class 3 devices (use a lot less battery power). The access point may be able to "see" the PDA farther away, but the PDA won't have enough power to reach back to the access point. Even for a normal sized apartment, you'd need at least two for full coverage.
Someone point out the holes in my logic, because I'm sure there are some.