Colligan: No More Palm OS Based Products

Palm OS No MoreMaking official what has been expected for some time, Palm CEO Ed Colligan remarked today at an investor conference that Palm will not release any more Palm OS based products. His actual words were:

"We will transition to WebOS as our core operating system and will continue to support Windows Mobile products for the enterprise market. "

He also went on to say that Palm wants to focus on "fewer really innovative breakthrough products" in order to innovate better, and he also stated they are working on a robust roadmap of products based on WebOS due in the years to come.

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'No more PalmOS products'

SeldomVisitor @ 2/11/2009 9:27:15 AM # Q
From Colligan.

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
PacManFoo @ 2/11/2009 10:01:05 AM # Q
Does this mean there won't be a TX2 soon? :)

The last known classic PDA user.
RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
mikecane @ 2/11/2009 10:27:38 AM # Q
Abcess must be very happy now. A clear field to grab all those disaffected customers.

Let's see, twrock, Gekko, and ... yeah, that's a big market.

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
hkklife @ 2/11/2009 10:56:08 AM # Q
And me makes three!!


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
SeldomVisitor @ 2/11/2009 10:59:06 AM # Q
> And me makes three!!

Wow, 50% increase!

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
BaalthazaaR @ 2/11/2009 11:22:17 AM # Q
Make that a 100% increase... Count me in unless Palm releases a webos PDA. Only then will I have to think about it.
RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
SeldomVisitor @ 2/11/2009 11:52:41 AM # Q
> ...His actual words were:...

No, his actual words were exactly as in the Subject of this thread, that's why there are quotes around the Subject.


RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
Gekko @ 2/11/2009 12:25:50 PM # Q

i better load up on Centros! how many do you think i'll need to get me through the next decade?

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
akalefty @ 2/11/2009 12:36:45 PM # Q
Mikey could probably stand to familiarize himself with our product line a little better....

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
dagwud @ 2/11/2009 1:10:55 PM # Q
"load up on Centros"? Why would anyone want to stick to such an outdated piece of hardware?

*ahem* *cough*

-
PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
freakout @ 2/11/2009 1:57:58 PM # Q
I doubt the Centro loses money, but I bet it doesn't make much either. Centro turned Garnet phones into commodity items. There's no more blood left in that stone, so I'm not too surprised by this.

Albeit a little sad - Palm OS has served me very faithfully these last five years. R.I.P. mate. Palm will finally stop re-animating your twitching corpse and let you get the eternal sleep you deserve...

Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 -> Treo 650 -> Treo 680 -> Centro

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
mikecane @ 2/11/2009 4:02:17 PM # Q
>>>Mikey could probably stand to familiarize himself with our product line a little better....

Product "line"?!!?

Anyway, Abcess is the one with the built-in Garnet emulator, right? It's what those 4 want.

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
akalefty @ 2/12/2009 8:14:49 AM # Q
Product "line"?!!?

Indeed.

ACCESS-the main architect of Japan's i.mode system, by the way-has got a global installed base, total, of over 600 million devices, in aggregate, comprising well over 1500 individual models, everything from cell phones to set-top boxes to panel televisions to electronic piano keyboards. Those numbers are growing all the time. We supply a wide variety of software solutions from browsers for constrained-resource devices on a variety of platforms to high-speed, high-capacity DLNA routing infrastructure.

Thanks for demonstrating so promptly how thoroughly accurate my observations of your near-total ignorance are, Mikey. No surprise, but it's nice to have the validation.


RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
Gekko @ 2/12/2009 8:07:19 PM # Q

"NO MORE PalmOS products......EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!" (bitch-slaps MikeCon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ8G6umepTE



RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
freakout @ 2/13/2009 4:19:29 PM # Q
http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/9668/#148054

WRONG!! So very wrong, freakout. Now I wonder: why did they spend $44 million on a perpetual Garnet license? ( http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9137/palm-signs-perpetual-license-for-palm-os-garnet/ )

Was it just to shore up stability on the Centro? Or was Garnet emulation a planned webOS feature that was jettisoned in order to give them a totally fresh start?

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
SeldomVisitor @ 2/13/2009 4:28:30 PM # Q
The "perpetual license" for PalmOS, at the time the license was instantiated, was a MAJOR win for Palm in lowering costs in a VERY short time frame. It TOTALLY made financial sense at the time. A real win.

We can assume AT THE TIME that Palm also was thinking PalmOS for the far future, right or wrong, making the already-MAJOR-FINANCIAL-WIN perpetual license even better.

Of course, since that already-major-win had made its already-instantiated-payoff, Palm changed their mind about PalmOS.

But by then it didn't matter - they had already saved millions of dollars.

I personally do not think the decision to stop saving oodles of bucks on OS costs by not using PalmOS had anything to do with the Pre or its purported OS. Instead, they simply decided "Okay, we don't need it anymore" and that was that.


RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
mikecane @ 2/15/2009 10:00:25 AM # Q
>>>ACCESS-the main architect of Japan's i.mode system, by the way-has got a global installed base, total, of over 600 million devices, in aggregate, comprising well over 1500 individual models, everything from cell phones to set-top boxes to panel televisions to electronic piano keyboards.

Still: Where's the beef when it comes to PRODUCTS WE USE HERE?

It must be a great feeling for you to pass a toy keyboard in a cheap store and know you've made such a thrilling contribution to the human race. I guess as long as there's a China to crank out crap, Abcess will survive. Not YOU, but Abcess.

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
akalefty @ 2/15/2009 1:33:10 PM # Q
You have a cell phone in the US? Odds are, you're using our browser, Mikey. For starts.

Most people decide to stop displaying their ignorance once it's been pointed out to them a couple of times. Not Mikey.

Persistent, or just a slow learner? You decide!

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
hkklife @ 2/15/2009 5:03:09 PM # Q
Well, Lefty, Mike actually rocks an antiquated $9.99 Nokia monochrome Tracfone with a membrane keyboard. It's one of those horrid old Nokias that had one big central "do everything" function button. I believe this (or something similar) is his weapon of choice:

http://www.productshub.com/TracFone-Nokia-1100/

So, technically, he's probably NOT using an Access Netfront-based browser since that phone doesn't even HAVE a browser! And PDA-wise I think he has a LifeDrive with its crash-prone version of Blazer 4.3 onboard...looks like he really did "get" ya on that one!



Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
mikecane @ 2/15/2009 5:28:57 PM # Q
Abcess, the company allegedly used by millions and known by - only its employees and licensees. Yeah, that builds brand identity. So when BOLT is chosen as a replacement browser, people won't even know the name of the company that lost millions in income when its browser was evicted from the next model of their phone. Works for me.

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
akalefty @ 2/15/2009 7:25:11 PM # Q
Abcess, the company allegedly used by millions and known by - only its employees and licensees. Yeah, that builds brand identity.

Mikey continues not to get it.

We're not a direct-to-consumer business, never have been. I don't think we're ever likely to be, given the support burden which that entails. We don't push our "brand identity", we assist our customers and licensees to promote theirs, through customization, operator packs (such as the ones we're providing to Orange, DoCoMo and others), and so forth. That's why field engineering is such a large part of our organization, and why we have engineering offices in every geography where cell phones are made.

You'd really come off looking a lot better if you did even a tiny bit of research before you start spraying flecks of spittle all over your keyboard. As it is, you simply seem both childish and churlish...


RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
akalefty @ 2/15/2009 7:28:23 PM # Q
...technically, he's probably NOT using an Access Netfront-based browser since that phone doesn't even HAVE a browser!

How's a guy get a (completely unmerited) reputation (of sorts) for writing about technology when he doesn't actually own any? I wouldn't think that drooling on other people's stuff was really a substitute...

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
abosco @ 2/15/2009 10:11:32 PM # Q
Here's a typical conversation between Lefty and Mike:

Mike: Fact, fact, insult, insult, insult, insult, surprising remark!
Lefty: Insult, fact, fact, insult, insult, insult.
Mike: Insult, insult, insult.
Lefty: Insult, insult, insult, insult.
Mike: Insult.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
Gekko @ 2/16/2009 11:28:31 AM # Q
RE: 'No more PalmOS products'
attas @ 3/20/2009 2:05:08 PM # Q
Just had my old Centro broken and bought a new one.

I might buy one more, in case they run out of Palm OS devices. I need one beside me in my grave !!.

;-)

Pilot 1000 >> Centro >>

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...and in other news, water is wet.

bhartman34 @ 2/11/2009 1:23:14 PM # Q
Seriously, is anyone surprised by this?

I really don't get it. What's the point of putting out a new OS if you're going to keep pumping out devices with the old OS?

How many POS 4 devices has Palm released this year? Anyone...?

RE: ...and in other news, water is wet.
dagwud @ 2/11/2009 4:10:49 PM # Q
I was so surprised by this news today that I started checking out the Nokia Interent Tablet 3 months back.

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PalmPilot Pro (1997) -> III (1998) -> Vx (1999) -> m500 (2001) -> m515 (2002) -> Tx (2007)
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Who was first? the egg or the gen?

LuisAngelCastillo @ 2/11/2009 3:37:20 PM # Q
From where the name of the company comes? from the OS or the OS have the name of the company...

Why not PalmOS 7 or WebOS Inc...?

RE: Who was first? the egg or the gen?
Gekko @ 2/11/2009 3:59:02 PM # Q

Mis avios de pesca están en la cocina.

RE: Who was first? the egg or the gen?
Winterbay @ 2/11/2009 11:33:02 PM # Q
Your fish-what are in the kitchen?

RE: Who was first? the egg or the gen?
Gekko @ 2/12/2009 8:08:32 PM # Q

my fishing gear is in the kitchen!

RE: Who was first? the egg or the gen?
dgbrock @ 2/13/2009 6:40:14 AM # Q
Or do you mean "phishing" gear?

RE: Who was first? the egg or the gen?
Gekko @ 2/13/2009 9:08:01 AM # Q

it was an old howard stern reference. anybody get it?

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Well, that was uneventful.

pmjoe @ 2/12/2009 12:10:53 AM # Q
Palm OS RIP.

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Move along, nothing to see here....

Wizard Prang @ 2/12/2009 11:22:13 AM # Q
So this is news?

PalmOS was designed way back in 1996. Its aim was to provide a simple, intuitive way to manipulate data on a PDA. It was very good at that; it was not designed with music, video, phone or the web in mind. That stuff came along later.

Over the years they have tried to graft these functions on to it, but the result has been a loss of the simplicity that made PalmOS useful in the first place. I would go as far as to say a multitasking PalmOS is no PalmOS at all. Whether Palm/Palm Inc/PalmOne/Palmsource lost their way or whether the public lost interest in their products is debatable, but they have not been innovating much lately - the last generation of pure PDAs (TX and Lifedrive) were afterthoughts with no real innovation behind them.

Requirements have changed, our needs have changed, and PalmOS could not, or would not, keep up. Their lack of support and direction over the years (for how many years have they been teasing us with PalmOS6?) has left me wondering when they would finally bow to the inevitable and shoot this dawg.

Before you label me as a "hater", know this: I have a T3 and am very happy with it; I have no plans to upgrade to a later machine. Milady has a TX and loves it, though I am not too impressed (no "stretch" screen, no collapsible case, no voice recorder...). I'll probably buy another T3 so I have a spare.

Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?

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Palm Affrontery

SchuylerKing @ 2/13/2009 10:32:34 AM # Q
There is a good article on the Palm situation on this blog> He predicted this: http://amccright.blogspot.com/2009/01/palm-tells-current-customers-to-get.html

RE: Palm Affrontery
MythicFox @ 2/15/2009 5:14:28 AM # Q
Who didn't predict this?

Palm Vx > m505 > T5
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Bravo, Colligan!

Gekko @ 2/13/2009 11:49:47 AM # Q

this is a stake in the heart of all PDA users who are still stuck in the past. hopefully this move helps drag them into this century.

RE: Bravo, Colligan!
Piero @ 2/15/2009 8:06:28 AM # Q
Stake?............ not really, i'll just buy a system that supports a garnet emu (linux, winmob, symbian). I'm looking at the nokia 810, it has very good reviews although it's processor is only 410 Mhz anyone know if they'll upgrade to a faster one?..... anyway, having garnet PLUS a complete operating system (LINUX) that can handle internet really nice WITHOUT the whole cloud sync bulls#$t seems cool.

RE: Bravo, Colligan!
Piero @ 2/15/2009 9:38:55 AM # Q
Just saw a page that a new nokia internet tablet will be release with a TIOMAP3 processor.... maybe even betters than palm's pre....... don't know when though but it's nice to know there's an alternative to garnet users who don't want to dump all the software they've been learning to use for years..... licensed too. I mean, there's no good reason for me to change my tx now..... which works beautifully but for one of those with VM garnet maybe i would, by the way, i wrote this and did the search on my TX.

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