Rumor: Tungsten T5 Spotted in Retail Database
UPDATED According to new information in the PalmInfocenter Forums, the rumored palmOne Tungsten T5 has been spotted in a major retail store's database. While the listing does not provide much new information, it confirms the the upcoming model name.
According to the post in the forums, there is a listing for the palmOne Tungsten T5 in the inventory system with a SKU of 584372 and a Palm part #1035NA. The listing also shows new accessories including a T5 Travel Charger (SKU 583850) for $29.99 and a Tungsten T5 hard case (SKU 583845) for $39.99 as well as a soft leather case and a desktop charger.
The last report on the next Tungsten indicated it would skip a numeral and be named the Tungsten T5. Previously, there was speculation that the next Tungsten will have the non slider design and large 320x480 screen. It may be one of the first devices to run Palm OS Cobalt. It will also include a higher capacity battery and will make use of the more advanced power management features found in the Intel PXA270 series processors for better battery life. There was also speculation that it would include both Bluetooth and WiFi wireless.
UPDATE:
A mention of the Tungsten T5 and Treo 650 has been spotted on the palmOne online store. The product description at the top of the page for the Bluetooth GPS Navigator kit, lists the Tungsten T5 and Treo 650 as compatible with the accessory. A screen capture of the listing can be found here.
In addition the URL Treo650.com redirects deirectly to palmOne's Treo 600 official page. The Treo 650 is also expected to be announced in the fall/October time frame.
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RE: Great
1. BT
2. No wi-fi
3. 320*480 screen, same as T3's but from a single source (Sony). This model's been in the works far too long to be OLED-equipped.
4. ? Who knows?
5. Yup
6. Yup
7. No chance in heck of that happening! This is a business-oriented unit!
8. At least 412-450mhz
9. I figure at least 64mb maybe 128. No more than that.
10. No UC but with new Athena connector.
RE: Great
Flash ROM available
Bluetooth v1.2
Will have UC and mUSB
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RE: Great
RE: Great
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RE: Great
Someone on the 1src forums, kezza I believe, commented that it looked like a smaller locking connector similar to the recent Sony/Ericsson ones. I think that P1 is trying to take a cue from the cell phone industry and have a cable that connects to handhelds solidly enough for you to be able to "dangle" the Palm by the charger cable and have it still securely attached.
I suppose Palm figures the advent of improved batteries & the deathknell of dial-up models eliminates the need for "sled" batteries & modem accessories. Wi-Fi is best done via SDIO or hardwired into the handheld. So that just leaves serial communications out of the picture for industrial/testing/hobbyist applications.
I suspect the P1 units releaed in '06 at $200 or above will have the Athena connector and possibly even have native USB 2.0 sync capabilities as well as trickle-charge over USB.
So think of Athena as UC 2.0 with faster USB, no serial, a smaller physical connector and without the notches in the rear of the handheld. That's just my prediction, of course! Oh, I still maintain that there will be some form of 2D acceleration ala Zodiac in the T5.
RE: Great
And everyone in the telcomm industry that uses rs232 on their Palm on a regular basis. The sell apps and accessories dedicated to this function. I'll seriously have to think about this one, as it will mean I go back to lugging my laptop around again for network configurations... or NOT buy the T5.
RE: Great
Now here goes P1 abandoning not only the UC but serial connectivity in general for the whole platform. Not a smart move especially when I see Symbol & Handera/TRG units still in use on a regular basis by workers in various fields.
P.S. I still maintain that there's a decently profitable niche market for a ruggedized, oversized Palm OS 5.x handheld with 320*480, wi-fi, a huge battery and RS232 connectivity. A Panasonic "ToughPalm", anyone?
RE: Great
Anyway I was just thinking, the speculation that the T5 would have a new connector was based purely on the reason that there is a new cradle and portable charger. What if the portable charger and cradle are actually the new interchangeable kinds where users can remove the power tip.
Also redesigning the cradle is normal. Look at Sony and HP. Almost all their models uses the same serial connectors but for every model there is a new cradle. And who knows, its possible the T5 would have removable battery hence a redesigned cradle to accomodate a spare battery.
I have to add that this are just my speculations.
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StarTac > T28m > T39m > T68m > T610 > T630 > K700i
RE: Great
RE: Great
Sounds great if they will fit in my back pocket and work with "Online", the app I use for that type of work. The BT verson would be way cool, as most of the routers and switches I work with have the console port on the back, making line-of-sight for IR difficult. Have any links?
I'm impressed.....
Even with the T|3 last year, there were leaked photos 2 1/2 months early. I love the fact that I have no idea what is coming until it actually gets here. It feels like Christmas Eve knowing that there is a present waiting downstairs!
Now, the SD WiFi card on the other hand is just a cruel joke in its delays and real limited availability, but I am still waiting for that as well!
BTW, last year I was let in on the secret of the T|3 almost 2 months early. This time: bupkiss! eh, That's the way of the world!
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RE: I'm impressed.....
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RE: I'm impressed.....
Can't wait to see if this is the exception.
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RE: I'm impressed.....
I don't care, as I am not in the market for a PDA without a camera, but I don't expect anyone here will buy a T5 until Novemeber.
Already auctioning my old Tungsten T and m515
Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!
Palm III>Palm IIIx>PalmV>PalmVx>Palm m505>Palm M515>Tungsten T
Dell X30 624Mhz w/BT+Wi-Fi
Nokia 6600 w/BT
All I want is WiFi
I see this all the time in these groups people asking for features and yet Palm seems oblivious, don't the marketing guys at Palm HQ have internet access or something?
All I want is to be heard. Palm are you listening?
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RE: All I want is WiFi
I am with you on the whole Palm marketing folly. PPCs may be boring, but at least they know how to make full featured model after full featured model for about the price of a feature curtailed PalmOne TE. This may be changing as HP shows a terrible lineup for this season-- $279 for a PPC with 25 MB of RAM! Are you CRAZY, HP? I hope PalmOne goes the extra mile to gain back some sales momentum.
Unimpressed
If this is true, then I'm very unimpressed: except for the cpu it will fall short next to the older TH-55, which has everything (at least the European version) most people in this forum wish for.
P1 always seems to hold back so that they have something to advance to in their upcoming models. Compare this to the PPCs; there are *plenty* of models with the latest specs: 480*640 screens, WiFi+bt, camera, etc.....
no wifi is fine by me... as long as...
RE: Unimpressed
As T3 user, I am not upgrading.
T3 user
RE: Unimpressed
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who says no WiFi?
From the above "Rumor" article: "There was also speculation that it would include both Bluetooth and WiFi wireless."
RE: Unimpressed
Of course you can. Dell and HP both have dual wireless units for under $400, and dual wireless Dells sell for $250 or less. To say that PalmOne can't build a dual wireless unit for under $400 is lowing the bar to a ludicrous extent. PalmOne needs to face tougher expectations, rather than have people praise them for just showing up.
RE: Unimpressed
By all indications, Dell's quality for handhels may be even lower than Palm's/P1's has been lately. Also, keep in mind that Dell can afford to subsidize their PDAs and stuff with higher-margin items like printers, LCD monitors, plasma TVs etc. P1 has handhelds, smartphones, a handful of acessories and that's it.
Basically, P1 has determined that dual wireless is still not yet "crucial" and has some sort of evangelistic favoritism towards BT over wi-fi (and battery life concerns as well). I think it'll take them until spring '05 at the earliest to intro a dual wireless model.
RE: Unimpressed
PalmOne sold 950,000 units in the second quarter, Dell sold 150,000. If PalmOne can't get a better deal on handheld parts, they need to seriously reconsider how they do business.
Dell's prices also fluctuate regularly since they sell direct and adjust to market conditions. P1's products are generally purchased at retail so there's some markup there as well.
$150 worth of markup? I don't think so. Even if there were, there's nothing stopping them from selling them lower online.
By all indications, Dell's quality for handhels may be even lower than Palm's/P1's has been lately.
Not in my experience. I've had all three high-end Dells, plus the Tungsten E, Zire 71, and Zire 72. I've never felt like the Dells were lower quality, and I've never had defectivity problems with them. In fact, I've found them to be consistently reliable and well built.
Also, keep in mind that Dell can afford to subsidize their PDAs
Dell doesn't subsidize their handhelds, they make a solid profit off them. More profit, as a percentage of price, than they make off their desktop sales.
Basically, P1 has determined that dual wireless is still not yet "crucial" and has some sort of evangelistic favoritism towards BT over wi-fi (and battery life concerns as well). I think it'll take them until spring '05 at the earliest to intro a dual wireless model.
I hope they don't take that long, because if they do they're dead. Just getting WiFi into a few models would help, since PalmOne is completely missing the boat on the huge adoption of WiFi. But dual wireless is very neccessary. It's getting closer to being an entry level feature, and once wireless internet becomes standard I doubt that most buyers would find an unconnected Palm very appealing.
RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
no way... my guess is that it's going to be something bigger then a better CPU..
RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Whats the point of WIFI browsing on a miserable small screen
I see the real need now is to move to the brighter thinner OLED screens that Sony has developed. I'm not buying a new PDA untill Palm has an OLED model to offer. OLED is the future in PDA screen technology.
again...who says no WiFi?
RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Whats the point of WIFI browsing on a miserable small screen
There's been a real need for it for years. WiFi is incredibly popular all over the U.S. and elsewhere, with millions upon millions of access points in homes, businesses, and hotspots. And, besides web browsing, there's email, IM, streaming media, network access, and dozens of other things that you can do with WiFi quite comfortably even if you don't like web browsing. To not have WiFi would be inexcusable.
I see the real need now is to move to the brighter thinner OLED screens that Sony has developed. I'm not buying a new PDA untill Palm has an OLED model to offer. OLED is the future in PDA screen technology.
OLEDs aren't really that good. Sure, they're bright and thin, but they die after a few years of heavy use and are difficult bordering on impossible to see outdoors. Their benefits don't really outweigh the disadvantages.
RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
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RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
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RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
All pretty funny.
Some people here have already made up their minds based on what may or may not be true about a product that hasn't shipped, and has no press release.
Comical.
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RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
I personally like substantiated rumor more than the baseless variety, and I think the jury's still out the inclusion of WiFi. I'm ambivalent about it, because I've already invested in Bluetooth, and am afraid that most would be unhappy with the battery life of a WiFi T5 -- I'd rather have built in low power GPRS so I could get ride of my Blackberry. But I wouldn't want to sacrifice my 360x480 screen for a Treo 650.
That's my point. We all have our own needs. A PDA doesn't need to be a religion, and differing opinions don't need to be ridiculed. =)
RE: NO WIFI? OUTRAGEOUS!!!
I can wait for WiFi. Now, maybe for a $400 PalmOne it should be included. I agree with the above postings that note Dell includes dual wireless in $250 models so PalmOne can certainly afford to incude it in $400 ones. Indeed, much of the code needed in built right into the latest Intel ARM processors.
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Great
1 ) Bluetooth
2 ) WiFi
3 ) 320 * 480 with OLED screen
4 ) Multi Processing
5 ) MP3 player
6 ) Voice recording
7 ) At least 1.0 Mega Pixel camera
8 ) Hi speed processor
9 ) At least 128 MB of RAM