Sprint Treo 650 Orders Begin to Ship
Reports are now coming in that Sprint customers who pre-ordered are now beginning to receive the new palmOne Treo 650 smartphone. Sprint is currently the only carrier taking orders for the new Treo 650.
Treo Central as well as Engadget have posted reader photo reports of the new smartphone's arrival.
The Sprint Treo 650 can be pre-ordered directly from palmOne here. Prices start at $449 USD after a new service rebate credit, agreeing to a one year service contract will qualify for a $100 credit rebate. The CDMA version can also be purchased without a new plan for $599. This offer requires purchase and activation before 1/15/05.
About the palmOne Treo 650
Operating on the enhanced Sprint Nationwide PCS Network, the Treo 650 has 23 MB of user-available memory and is powered by the Palm OS 5.4 and an Intel PXA270 312 MHz processor. Built-in Bluetooth Wireless Technology provides the ability to wirelessly synchronize with Bluetooth-enabled desktop or laptop computers and easily connect with Bluetooth headsets and car kits (sold separately). It has dimensions of 4.4 x 2.3 x 0.9 inches (11.3 x 5.9 x 2.3 cm) and weighs 6.3 ounces (178 grams).
The palmOne Treo 650 by palmOne’s candy-bar design has been refined with an improved backlit QWERTY keyboard with larger, flatter keys; strategic button placement for easier one-handed access; and a sharper, high-resolution color display for improved visibility in sunlight. Other user-friendly features include increased battery life (up to five hours of continuous digital talk time and over two weeks of digital standby time), a removable battery, built-in speakerphone and a non-volatile memory system that preserves data for a limited amount of time if the battery is removed or the device is drained of power.
The Treo 650 also includes a 1900 mAH Li-ion rechargeable battery that can be removed by the user. Additional replacement batteries will be sold by for $59.99 USD each. The CDMA Treo 650's phone life is rated at 5 hours of talk and 300 hours on standby. The 650 includes the new Multi-Connector for recharging and hotsyncing the Treo via a cable. Sprint business customers will also have the option to purchase a non-camera version of the device later this year.
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RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
2) HTC is known for their excellent QA. They also manufacture a number of PPC etc and all have been known good quality
3) Hehe...there's presumably already a workaround for the disabled BT DUN profile on the Sprint 650. ;)
4) What you mean like the Benq P50. That's been delayed until late 2005...
5) I agree. PalmOne needs have a Treo in the $200 price point fast. I along with many others assumed the Treo 600 would stick around and be discounted at that price point, but it doesn't seem to be so. P1 needs to act fast if it want to quickly expand its smartphone share beyond the uber high end...
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RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
I don't think GSM Treo 650 will be available until February in many markets. Payback to Sprint for standing by Handspring/Palm for the past three years...
2) HTC is known for their excellent QA. They also manufacture a number of PPC etc and all have been known good quality
I know. But like all contract manufacturers, they manufacture to a price point. If Palm tells them to cut corners and use the 1 cent distorted grapple grommet instead of the crystal clear two cent model, they will. Palm authorizes parts selection and the past three years have shown how little they now care about quality.
3) Hehe...there's presumably already a workaround for the disabled BT DUN profile on the Sprint 650. ;)
Never underestimate the power of hackers to mess up corporate plans. It's time to get the Treocentral Gang together again. Unlocking, cloning, Treo-as-Bluetooth-modem, etc should all soon be a flash "upgrade" away. Despite whatever Palm may have done (e.g. encrypt the compressed OS) to try and tighten up OS security.
4) What you mean like the Benq P50. That's been delayed until late 2005...
The BenQ P50 looks to be just one of many Elvis impersonators that we'll be seeing. The Treo 650 is already only a few minor evolutionary changes (make it smaller + lighter, add bigger P910-style screen + more memory + WiFi, lose the antenna) from being the perfect smartphone, so I think this will become the standard design for these devices.
5) I agree. PalmOne needs have a Treo in the $200 price point fast. I along with many others assumed the Treo 600 would stick around and be discounted at that price point, but it doesn't seem to be so. P1 needs to act fast if it want to quickly expand its smartphone share beyond the uber high end...
Keeping the Treo 600 is not what Palm needs to do. A cheap Treo 600 would mainly cannibalize sales from the high margin Treo 650. Palm needs a cheap phone-centric smartphone that runs the Treo OS. Imagine a Sony Ericsson S700 (or T630) running PalmOS. This would lure a whole new type of end user into PalmOS, revitalize the platform, and potentially entrench PalmOS as a major player in the phone OS world. On the other hand, if Palm doesn't put out a model like this in 2005, they'll probably just see Microsoft licencees keep chipping away at Palm's smartphone sales (as has happened with PDA sales) until Palm becomes the next Netscape/WordPerfect/Apple/Lotus 123. Just goes to prove that being the first and/or best doesn't ensure long term survival.
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Use the Treo 650 as a Bluetooth modem?
http://www.junefabrics.com/palmnet/
Sprint might just be starting to crack down on Bluetooth users...
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RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
I don't think GSM Treo 650 will be available until February in many markets. Payback to Sprint for standing by Handspring/Palm for the past three years...
2) HTC is known for their excellent QA. They also manufacture a number of PPC etc and all have been known good quality
I know. But like all contract manufacturers, they manufacture to a price point. If Palm tells them to cut corners and use the 1 cent distorted grapple grommet instead of the crystal clear two cent model, they will. Palm authorizes parts selection and the past three years have shown how little they now care about quality.
3) Hehe...there's presumably already a workaround for the disabled BT DUN profile on the Sprint 650. ;)
Never underestimate the power of hackers to mess up corporate plans. It's time to get the Treocentral Gang together again. Unlocking, cloning, Treo-as-Bluetooth-modem, etc should all soon be a flash "upgrade" away. Despite whatever Palm may have done (e.g. encrypt the compressed OS) to try and tighten up OS security.
4) What you mean like the Benq P50. That's been delayed until late 2005...
The BenQ P50 looks to be just one of many Elvis impersonators that we'll be seeing. The Treo 650 is already only a few minor evolutionary changes (make it smaller + lighter, add bigger P910-style screen + more memory + WiFi, lose the antenna) from being the perfect smartphone, so I think this will become the standard design for these devices.
5) I agree. PalmOne needs have a Treo in the $200 price point fast. I along with many others assumed the Treo 600 would stick around and be discounted at that price point, but it doesn't seem to be so. P1 needs to act fast if it want to quickly expand its smartphone share beyond the uber high end...
Keeping the Treo 600 is not what Palm needs to do. A cheap Treo 600 would mainly cannibalize sales from the high margin Treo 650. Palm needs a cheap phone-centric smartphone that runs the Treo OS. Imagine a Sony Ericsson S700 (or T630) running PalmOS. This would lure a whole new type of end user into PalmOS, revitalize the platform, and potentially entrench PalmOS as a major player in the phone OS world. On the other hand, if Palm doesn't put out a model like this in 2005, they'll probably just see Microsoft licencees keep chipping away at Palm's smartphone sales (as has happened with PDA sales) until Palm becomes the next Netscape/WordPerfect/Apple/Lotus 123. Just goes to prove that being the first and/or best doesn't ensure long term survival.
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RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
Go back to spending 40 hours a week playing with the PDA displays in CompUSA and Circuit City, Mikey. I hope someday you'll find a job and will finally be able to actually BUY a new PDA. Someday...
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Don't tell me the BAD PEOPLE already hacked the Treo 650!
I hope for Palm's sake this guy is joking. Palm couldn't have been dumb enough to expose the Bluetooth stack, could they? Nah. Must be a joke.
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RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
Did that cut a little too deep, Mikey? Good.
By the way, have you ever been arrested, Mike? It will be interesting for people to see what you were charged with. You pervert.
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RE: Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
Get help, Mike.
Inflamed? No, Mike. Most of us here know that attempting to make jokes about child pornography is inappropriate. That you fail to recognize this is not unexpected.
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I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
The Treo 650 should have shipped with at least 128 MB memory.
PowerRUN will be a must have app for a lot of Treo 650 owners:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/hackerdudesan/index-e.html
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RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
Other thoughts:
The Treo 600 will have to stick around for a while longer in order to keep the high-middle price range propped up. I agree with everyone above in that a cheaper Treo is needed. In fact, a resurrection of the Treo 300 unit (in theory, not in FF) might be interesting. No SD slot, no BT, and a flip design might be just the ticket. As long as its specs are roughly Zire 31 level or so, it could be a fine unit.
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
That would make too much sense. Plus, Palm's execs seem more concerned about boosting per-unit profits than the big picture (expanding the platform's user base).
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RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
He either does not understand the difference between NAND and NOR flash memory, or else he works for or holds stock in a company that manufactures NOR.
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
Stick around. You'll find out just how big an idiot he is.
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
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And I'll post it twice, Lapdoggie
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The Treo 650 memory system is ridiculous. Here's the proof:
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RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
I pledge to the Palm-Powered community that I will seek to make a better handheld through research one day!!!
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
RE: I'll take my Treo 650 WITHOUT the stupid NAND Flash, please.
Sorry, Bubba, Pandora's box is already open.
Feel free to try and insult me all you want, but that doesn't change the FACTS.
By the way, Ryan, can you do something about the namecalling here? This dumba$$ loser really hurt my feelings!
;-O
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GSM vs. CDMA
I am more interested in GSM because the SIM card flexibility, especially during overseas travel. Also, palmOne claimed CDMA and GSM had roughly similar coverage in the U.S.
Thanks!
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RE: GSM vs. CDMA
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RE: GSM vs. CDMA
The BAD PEOPLE already hacked the Treo 650 Bluetooth stack!
As usual, Palm's lazy a$$ coders took the easy was out + just inactivated the standard DUN stacks instead of rewriting everything. Palm's laziness has its advantages - for Sprint customers!
http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=63250
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Treo 650 is the best smartphone ever made. Period.
Potential snags:
1) GSM rollout should have coincided with CDMA. Yeah, Palm/Handspring owes its existence to Sprint, but the delay in getting GSM units out only hurts Palm.
2) Will HTC cut corners in construction quality?
3) Will phreaks eventually eXp10!T the PalmOS? News at 11.
;-O
4) What happens when a dozen other (Windows) companies copy the Treo design? This is already happening.
5) The phone is WAY too expensive for mass consumption. (But if the Treo 650 is marketed properly to businesses, that won't really matter.)
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