palmOne Announces Plans to Move Headquarters
palmOne has announced that it has entered into a sublease agreement for its future corporate headquarters in Sunnyvale, California. The current palmOne HQ is in Milptas, CA and they plan to move to a new space nearby by mid-2005.
palmOne, Inc. (Nasdaq: PLMO) today said it has entered into a sublease agreement for its future corporate headquarters in Sunnyvale, Calif. Under terms of the agreement with Philips Electronics North America Corp., palmOne will sublease approximately 288,000 square feet of space located at 950 and 1000 West Maude Avenue.
The company expects to move to the Sunnyvale property in mid-2005, around the same time its current Milpitas lease is set to expire. The Sunnyvale sublease has a term of approximately 6 years.
Both towns are growing suburbs of the San Fanscisco Bay area, more specifically the Silicon Valley. PalmSource itself currently has its HQ and office space in Sunnyvale.
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RE: Valley legacy of a move
Hmmmm.... $600 for a limited Cobalt PDA or $1200 for a REAL PC?
RE: Valley legacy of a move
There are some good office spaces here at reasonable prices. That's why some financially pressured companies move in to begin with.
My point - it's not the area that makes a company go under.
RE: Valley legacy of a move
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RE: Valley legacy of a move
That should be an interesting move.
I wonder which lucky person cleaning out the old site will stumble upon the box full of new M515s that "Phil in marketing" misplaced back in the day?
(Or maybe more realistically, the box full of old SUDS returns...)
Either way, there must be a few interesting dusty corners in that place that will reveal treasure, or at least interesting pieces of history.
RE: Valley legacy of a move
There was a ton of interesting things to be seen :)
RE: Valley legacy of a move
Overall the McCarthy Park location for PalmOne wasn't the best. It was a bunch of office buildings that were too orthogonal in design and layout not to mention awful commuting from almost any direction.
The 1000 West Maude location has some a nice non-orthogonal design to it going back to the glory days of Silicon Valley architecture from the early 80's when most of Sunnyvale was built up.
But the most important thing is they are much closer to a Fry's Electronics and the Weird Stuff warehouse!
Then there was the clear case Handspring Visor clamshells that were so dam rare, not even some employees got their hands on them. Now we get to hunt around and find which part of 900 or 1000 is the bomb shelter design vault!
Just remember PalmOne employees that the Brass Rail has a hell of a prime rib lunch on Fridays!
RE: Valley legacy of a move
but what is the Weird Stuff warehouse?
RE: Valley legacy of a move
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Daniel Hibbitts
Ann Arbor Palm OS Developers Group
Ann Arbor Palm OS Users Group
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RE: Valley legacy of a move
(Of course, for me, going to either building takes a while, since there's a three-and-a-half plane ride from Austin that I have to take first)
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Ben Combee
http://palmos.combee.net - PDA programmer weblog
RE: Valley legacy of a move (Of topic)
Since you are palm source employee, and you also participate at this site, is there a way we can send information from here to palm source management through you. I mean, there is so much thoughts and ideas around here, that is worth taking note of!
And can someone with good programming skill explain to me, what makes cobalt better OS than windows pocket, and Symbian, besides the applications that mainly are Garnets, why would a third party rather want to license Cobalt than Microsoft or Symbian, I would also put this question on the discussion board.
Regards
PalmOS 5 Vs. Cobalt Vs. PPC Vs. Symbian
Since you are palm source employee, and you also participate at this site, is there a way we can send information from here to palm source management through you. I mean, there is so much thoughts and ideas around here, that is worth taking note of!
And can someone with good programming skill explain to me, what makes cobalt better OS than windows pocket, and Symbian, besides the applications that mainly are Garnets, why would a third party rather want to license Cobalt than Microsoft or Symbian, I would also put this question on the discussion board.
First of all, Palm management regularly reads Palminfocenter to get a feel for what the power users are thinking and to try to (gently) influence opinions here. They aren't stupid and already know about all of the PalmOS and hardware problems reported here. They also already are aware of the designs proposed by readers of PIC. They even have prototypes of models that would make many power users fairly happy. The problem is that the decisions to improve quality/add features/improve OS/release new models etc. is strictly based on whether or not Palm feels doing so will increase profits. So far, their beancounters have made a he11 of a lot of bad decisions, resulting in the Palm name starting to be associated with poor quality + lack of innovation. Palm's decision to release refried versions of the Tungsten E (T5, upcoming TE˛) illustrates their conscious decision to "play it safe" rather than trying to innovate. Unfortunately, this isn't 1999 anymore, and Palm now has competition. People won't keep buying underfeatured hardware at premium prices for long. When the average consumer sees a VGA-screened, Wi-Fi/Bluetooth-enabled, Windows-logoed, well constructed PPC selling for the same price as a poorly made PalmOS PDA, guess which one they'll choose? Especially since most people don't have an investment in old PalmOS apps weighting in on the decision.
In the past, PalmOS' app library and stability made PalmOS the clear winner over PPC. Now, apps are much less of a factor. There are now even some apps for professionals that have PPC but no PalmOS equivalents. And newer versions of PalmOS have had numerous stability issues, even in fairly simple configurations. The Cobalt Fiasco created a lot of doubts among developers regarding PalmOS' longterm viability as a money making platform. Palm's recent OS updates broke compatibility with dozens of third party apps and has left the developer community less than impressed, as many now see that Palm doesn't really give a rat's a$$ about developers (sorry, Ben).
Regarding your questions about the advantages of the various OSes:
PalmOS 5 ("Garnet")
Pro: Huge app library, easy to code for, many proven development tools, inexpensive license fee, stable (at least until Palm butchered the later versions + introduced the "DataMangler" bug), best compatibility with Microsoft Office desktop apps, old Palm name.
Con: Overextended well beyond what should reasonably have been asked of it, requires numerous hacks/kludges to achieve functionality, only one app can be open at a time, supports limited hardware profiles (e.g. screen resolutions, RAM, etc.), individual licencees altered OS further to suit their needs + created some incompatibilities, limited selection of high quality hardware, new Palm name.
PalmOS 6 ("Cobalt")
Pro (in theory): Wider hardware support, allows performing more than one task at a time, compatible with most properly-coded legacy apps, easier for licencees and end users to customise, updated GUI (yawn...), touched by Dianne Hackborn ;-).
Con: Limited development tools, requires developers to re-learn how to code for the platform, no shipping devices over a year after the OS was supposedly released -> no incentive for developers to code for OS (i.e. no market to sell to), feature set not yet finalized, initial release buggy as he11, untested in the real world, license price reportedly higher than PalmOS 5, most features can be replicated using either custom versions of PalmOS 5 or PalmOS 5 with third party launchers/apps/utilities, breaks some apps, incomplete integration with telephony.
PPC
Pro: Microsoft name, standard development tools, best selection of hardware, VGA screens supported + available, good app library + improving every month, better support of peripherals (supports CompactFlash), better wireless connectivity (Wi-Fi + Bluetooth present in most PPC PDAs), better driver support, some integration with telephony.
Con: More resource inefficient than PalmOS, some OS stability issues (but improved in past year), syncing software buggier than PalmOS, limited compatibility with Microsoft Office desktop apps (ironic, isn't it?), Microsoft name.
Symbian
Pro: Low licencing fee, large user base, integration with telephony, Nokia name.
Con: Poor syncing software, very limited application library, limited development tools, Nokia name.
No doubt others here can expand on these irrefutable facts.
;-O
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RE: Valley legacy of a move
As if YOU know anything. Give us a break.
>>>They aren't stupid
They've shown no evidence of being smart in the past 12 months.
But then, you haven't, either, in several jillion posts here. Nor have you shown any balls.
RE: Valley legacy of a move
"easier for licencees and end users to customise"
Is this right, how can this one be easier for licences to customise than OS 5.0. It sounds odd!
"initial release buggy as he11"
How do you know its buggy! What about 6.1?
I can add one pro to cobalt, it had integrated wireless functionality, but this also confuses me, does this mean it is intended for smart phone like devices only, I mean if you build a PDA without wireless capability like the Zire, or a sub notebook, would it be over kill!
What about multimedia capabilities, what can it do that OS 5.0 couldn't except the resolutions! What makes it better for multimedia!
What could 6.2 be? What are the potential releases? Where is it heading besides the Linux kernel?
RE: Valley legacy of a move
"easier for licencees and end users to customise"
Is this right, how can this one be easier for licences to customise than OS 5.0. It sounds odd!
"initial release buggy as he11"
How do you know its buggy! What about 6.1?
I can add one pro to cobalt, it had integrated wireless functionality, but this also confuses me, does this mean it is intended for smart phone like devices only, I mean if you build a PDA without wireless capability like the Zire, or a sub notebook, would it be over kill!
What about multimedia capabilities, what can it do that OS 5.0 couldn't except the resolutions! What makes it better for multimedia!
What could 6.2 be? What are the potential releases? Where is it heading besides the Linux kernel?
RE: Valley legacy of a move
Just because Cobalt was "touched by Dianne Hackorn" doesn't make it a "Pro" in theory or reality. I haven't seen anything by Dianne or the rest of the BeOS team that was positive. The assimilation of Be into the PalmSource held PalmSource back.
How could the people behind a failing product (with a tremendous fan base) be an asset to what was a company that was maturing? At least the original senior management is finally gone. Now, we have to work on Gasse's departure.
Did OS 6 ship on time? No. The project, Sahara, was woefully and constantly behind schedule. Not-so-clever changes to the feature set(hey, let's make a version of Sahara geared for handhelds and a version for wireless) and lame explanations were produced in place of product.
Now that OS 6 has shipped, is anybody developing for it? I haven't heard of any plans to release PalmOS 6 based products. If I'm wrong, please let me know. It would be nice to hear some good news for a change.
PalmOS 6 (Cobalt); Be engineers; Fun with leather™.
You're preaching to the Pope, Sonny. By the way, If you ever met Ms. Hackborn I think you'd change your tune. ;-O
http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7359&curpage=2
http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7375#101634
http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7394#101633
http://www.palminfocentre.com/comment_view.asp?ID=7258
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How could the people behind a failing product (with a tremendous fan base) be an asset to what was a company that was maturing? At least the original senior management is finally gone. Now, we have to work on Gasse's departure.
Be engineers have some talent but they were not what Palm needed. Palm needed to outsource coding of a FUNCTIONAL Unix-flavored next-generation OS three years ago. They didn't. Now, in 2005 we STILL have nothing but the hoary, punch-drunk PalmOS 5 in our latest PDAs. How sad.
Did OS 6 ship on time? No. The project, Sahara, was woefully and constantly behind schedule. Not-so-clever changes to the feature set(hey, let's make a version of Sahara geared for handhelds and a version for wireless) and lame explanations were produced in place of product.
Their production schedule was unrealistic. Palm could only have delivered a stable PalmOS 6 on time by outsourcing it. But then if they did that, what would be the point of paying all of those Sacred Be engineers?
Now that OS 6 has shipped, is anybody developing for it? I haven't heard of any plans to release PalmOS 6 based products. If I'm wrong, please let me know. It would be nice to hear some good news for a change.
Developers have lost confidence in Palm. Many have no plans to code for PalmOS 6 since:
1) There are ZERO shipping devices as of January 12, 2005. (Over
12 months after PalmOS 6 was officially released...)
2) The chances of seeing a significant number of PalmOS 6 devices sold in the market in the next year is approximately 0%.
3) Palm already kicked developers in the crotch with their hack jobs on PalmOS 5 that broke dozens of apps.
4) They don't want to be OS beta testers/guinea pigs.
5) PalmOS 6 doesn't add much useful to their applications.
You may see a PalmOS 6 phone from Taiwan in June, 2005. Maybe.
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RE: Valley legacy of a move
And users too. I wish my S320 with OS4 had a color screen...
RE: Valley legacy of a move
I have met Dianne. My tune hasn't changed.
Dianne Hackborn and the Holy Be Code Gods™.
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Sony CLIE UX100: 128 MB real RAM, OLED screen. All the PDA anyone really ever wanted.
CLIE TH55: the last high quality PalmOS PDA? Sadly, yes.
And users too. I wish my S320 with OS4 had a color screen...
Get a CLIE TH55 and STOP whining for ****'s sake! It's the last good tablet-style PalmOS PDA ever made. You won't be disappointed - assuming you're not a clueless idiot.
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RE: Valley legacy of a move
Be, BeOS, Cobalt, PalmLinux
Carpe Noctum
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But in the end...
It should'a been perfect...But in the end... they f****d it all up. It should have been so sweet, too, but it turned out to be the last time that guys like them were ever given anything that f***in' valuable again.
RE: But in the end...
Or how about emulating a laid-off defense worker Michael Douglas, kept from seeing his child on her birthday by a restraining order, looks at the landscape of moral decay in Los Angeles on one hot, congested day and, after being mugged, snaps.
:)
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David
RE: But in the end...
Your prize package will arrive in the post.
-Ryan
pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
The bogus "split" - made mere months ago to save the company several million $$$ in loans and to generate some quick stock cash - has only helped further erode the Palm platform. Now pa1mOne moves a few blocks from PalmSource? W T F??? Gimme a break, guys. Everyone knows both PalmSource and pa1mOne are helpless without each other. It's time to end the sham and make a dramatic "announcement" that they will be merging to "enhance synergies" and "leverage market opportunities" or some such dotcomspeak BS.
Misters Colligan, Nagel, Gasse, Mace and cronies: Please stop suffocating a good platform with incompetent management decisions. Had you simply listened to your OWN employees, you would be in a position of strength in 2005, not struggling to stay alive. Now some of the rats are already starting to flee HMS Palm.
And can someone please explain why the he11 the "Baby Treo" never received production approval earlier in 2004? pa1mOne's current hardware offerings are an embarassment to a great OS. If only Sony had bought ALL of PalmSource a couple years ago...
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RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
Do you even listen to YOURSELF when you talk? You sad, unmedicated ****.
RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
If the Treo 650 isn't the "Baby Treo," then how could they put out less of a treo than the 650 in late 2004 and still sell it?
"pa1mOne's current hardware offerings are an embarassment to a great OS. If only Sony had bought ALL of PalmSource a couple years ago..."
...we'd all be stuck buying sets of those crappy "memory sticks," "memory stick pros," "memory stick mini," and/or whatever else that pitiful proprietary platform has morphed into today. 2 reasons to hate SONY (beyond memorysticks): (1) crappy warranties and customer service (yes, even worse than Palm's punjabi connection) and (2) SONY seems to spend way too much money and time making their things look "kewl" and "stylish." If you need any evidence of this just look at their rocker switches, then compare it to the ones that Palm/One uses (just about any year's hardware. To SONY, it seems to be all about the "style" and how many people they can pawn off memorysticks upon. Beautiful screens, though - you gotta thank them for budging Palm in that direction......
RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
LOL. A friend of mine has decided that Sony's entire corporate strategy is simply a platform for selling more memory sticks. They're willing to sell consumer products for no profit or even a loss if it contains a memory stick slot.
RE: pa1mOne and PalmSource getting back together again.
First, the PS2 should have shipped with a MS slot in addition to the two old PSOne style memory card slots. 8mb on a $20 PS2 memory card is a joke nowadays for storing multiple game saves, rosters, RPG character attributes etc. That single point could have given MS huge inroads in the market, as families owning a MS-enabled PS2 from Christmas '00 or '01 would have bought a Sony digicam for Christmas '02 or '03. Too bad SCE, Sony Electronics and Sony Computer cannot see eye to eye on ANYTHING!
Secondly, Sony Electronics should stick a MS slot in EVERY single piece of consumer electronic hardware with the Sony name on it. DVD players, all Wega TVs etc. How much can it add to th bottom line cost of a unit--mere pennies, in all likelihood.
Finally, the seemningly endless flow of different MS spin-off formats (MS, MS Select, MS Pro, MS Duo, MS Duo Pro, Magic Gate etc) just creates consumer and retailer confusion. Same thing with MMC/SD, CF Type II & III, and 3.3v and 5v Smart Media. Companies should get their flash memory specs right from day #1 and stick to it. I expect that in a few years when the minimum card size is 1gb or 2gb, thing should shake out pretty well and people will have to start paying more attention to different speeds of cards rather ("Can my card handle 30fps VGA quality FMV from my camera?") than worry about compatability issues.
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Valley legacy of a move
Be interesting to see when the PalmOne regulars discover the Lion & Compass as a local lunch and dinner metting spot if not already. Also, with PalmSource moving to Sunnyvale, the "Palm runs" down 237 are no more.
Not to mention they are in walking distance of the Brass Rail now -- woohoo!!