Treo 750 Windows Mobile 6 Update Next Week?

Keep sniping away at it - maybe sometime in the next billion years you'll actually hit a target. Or even decide on one.

Kris' article was based on a posting at Download Squad, which in turn was based on a post in the forum at smartphonethoughts.com. Since they've upgraded their site, the post has vanished, so we can't see what the source was. But to call it "completely unsupported" is incorrect, especially when the post as msmobiles that disputes it not only has no sources of its own to quote, but is atrociously written as well.

Or give Microsoft and Palm a call and ask! THEN retract them!

Sheesh.

I really mean that.

Sheesh.

Unbelievable.

One web site pointing to a blog on another web site pointing to a NONEXISTENT POST on a message board on another web site is not confirmation of anything.

You, the author of crap (*), apparently have no idea what constitutes valid writing for a valid journalistic site and what constitutes rumor appropriate for an opinionated web page based on nothing (i.e. "blog" - luv that name!).

I've always taken PIC as a site that stresses journalism-type robustness (as well as having a high-percent ratio of quality commentators on articles compared to other sites (whether or not I personally agree with them, they're relatively high quality!)); this summer, maybe due to vacations and all, PIC has slid down into a cesspool of crap and become very much less valuable as a reliable source of information. TreoCentral, to its unusual credit, hasn't reported anything w.r.t. freeness of WM6 (though, of course, unsubstantiated rumors abound on the forums there).

Is PALM going to give away a free upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 to existing Windows Mobile 5 users of PALM devices?

Maybe they are! We certainly know that T-Mobile is distributing the upgrade to its HTC-made Dash per HTC's stated free distribution so the precedent has been established from at least one ODM of PALM's. Then again, maybe T-Mobile just doesn't want the hassle of supporting two versions of WM on the same device they intend to sell for quite some time so maybe that is a red-herring. We certainly know that PALM has said they're out of the Windows Mobile business themselves AND we know that the "leaked" version of WM6 for the AT&T/Cingular 750 is less than ideal (e.g., power use, etc); maybe they threw their hands up entirely and said "That's it! No more WM development for us! Too expensive!"; there certainly is precedent for PALM changing their minds on WM in general, eh?

Will PALM supply Windows Mobile 6 "free" to buyers of FUTURE "PALM" Windows Mobile-using devices?

Of course! Windows Mobile 5 is EOL so of COURSE they're going to be shipping Windows Mobile 6 "free" with "their" new WM devices!

The article this post is made about is simply incorrect in what it says. It SHOULD say something like:

== "It has been rumored that the upgrade from WM5 to WM6 for the TREO 750 will
== be a free download, however neither Microsoft nor PALM will go on record
== about this."

That would be more than sufficient to correct that particular problem.

If you don't understand this w.r.t. how =articles= are supposed to be written, you really don't get it.

And I really mean that. No kidding, no retractions. It's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Sheesh.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

are you simply down there in the cesspool throwing around ad hominem attacks?

Either way, glad to know that "sheesh" is an ad hominem attack now! I'll have to use it more often here. How many points do you get for a sheesh, btw? Is it as good as a "biotchslap"?

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

When I meant in regards to your reference of "future Pam WM devices" was not, say, a Treo 800w to be released later this year. Of course that'll ship with WM6! What I was referrng to was Palm's past history of quietly changing the OS version on shipping devices without any hoopla or change to the packaging or branding. Since you've such little hands-on experience with POS it's easy to miss these sorts of subtle updates.

For example, waaaay back in late '99, Palm shipped the intial shipments of the Palm Vx with OS 3.3, then quickly upped it to 3.5 in 2000, then went to 3.5.3 a few months later. In '01 Palm cleared the last of their Vx stock out after the arrival of the m500/505 with a last batch of Vx's running OS 4.1 out of the box.

Now I do recall seeing a sticker affixed to some of the final Vx's I saw in retail stores saying something "Now with OS 4.1!" or some such.

Now, this ancient history doesn't tie directly into the Treo 750's saga other than the fact that I could easily see Palm "refreshing" the 750 mid-life with WM6 for certain carriers/regions (if not all). Unlocked versions, say, might still ship with WM5 and have a pay-to-download WM6 upgrade offered.

Or Palm could easily call it a 760 or something and consider the OS upgrade enough for an entirely new model, allowing them to milk their final "in house" WM model a bit longer.

Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P

Some guy (I'm saying that literally that way for effect) on Brighthand says PALM and/or MSFT ==officially== says "free WM6 coming!" yet there are no, for example, PR-fluffs on either corporate site saying anything even approaching that. So where the heck is "official"? Some babe in a bikini at a trade show booth gushing "Oh for SURE. Free free free! Giggle!"?

Though there are, as not uncommon, a whole lot of posts now in this particular thread making it seem that there is more to the question than that, the fact is that IS the only question being asked.

To pointedly note, only fastlerner has appropriately tried to address that question though, even with his/her appropriate response, the evidence is not sufficient, IMHO, to support the article's words:

== "...In February of this year, Microsoft announced that WM6
== would be released for free to their various device manufacturers..."

Palm has officially confirmed a statement made earlier by one of its executives: a Windows Mobile 6 upgrade will be released for the Treo 750. In addition, company representatives [NB: quite possibly wearing bikinis!] at the CTIA Wireless show in Orlando told Brighthand that this operating system upgrade will be available for free.

Be CAREFUL out there, folks! As SeldomVisitor has been SO vigilant in telling us, you can NEVER be too careful!

(Unless it's a negative rumor about Palm, of course, which is sufficient justification for all manner of fact-free innuendo and "sheeshing".)

One last fact for consideration: whether or not Microsoft will be charging ODMs for the update is a separate question from whether Palm or the carriers would consider making such an update available for free, hmmm? So even if msmobiles.com is right that Microsoft is not giving anything away, this doesn't necessarily dispute what the bikini-clad Palm representatives at CTIA stated was Palm's plan.

I think it's time to run along and find some other innuendo to dribble out here, SV.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

Oh, I'm sorry. Was that another ad hominem attack, SV? Does it count as "ad hominem" when I'm just pointing out something factual that's obvious to everyone else reading this thread but you?

Gee, I hope so! :-)

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

I think it's time to run along and find some other innuendo to dribble out here, SV.

SeldomVisitor replied:

The comment section of the linked PIC article (that would have been under "announced" up there) had a link to here:

-- http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6110.html

saying it was totally false.

Now if you don't believe it that's fine with me (I don't believe much of anything I read on the Internet until I can see it for myself). But it's directly from Palm (not Microsoft) which is in a position to offer the update free regardless of Microsoft's policy, and it post-dates the msmobiles article by a month. At least try to read it if you want to pretend like you're having some kind of reasoned discussion about this.

As for the stock stuff, that's your game, Day Trader Boy, not mine. I buy mutual funds and look at my portfolio at most once a year. And unlike you I will go on record saying I have *never* held any position in PALM shares, long, short, or upside down and backwards. Or any other common stock for that matter.

You're rattled or otherwise insensible. I'm bored. Enough of this stupid thread.

David Beers
Pikesoft Mobile Computing
www.pikesoft.com/blog

It'd be great to go check out the Palm booth, just as an excuse to visit. Return airfare is only $69... actually, that not so bad....

Tim
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Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680