Palm Holding Press Event Next Week
Palm is going to hold a press conference next Thursday in New York City to coincide with the DigitalLife show. Palm executives will be on hand at the Javits center to announce some news, which PalmInfocenter has been told will include a new product announcement.
There is no word on what the exact announcement may be, however Palm still has one last new Treo to announce as promised. Rumors have pointed at an October release of a new lower priced Palm OS Treo. An image of the unannounced Treo 680 was spotted on Palm servers last month, that were quickly removed once made public.
During Palm last quarterly conference call Palm CEO Ed Colligan talked about the last remaining new Treo smartphone promised for release this year. He stated the release would come in the "very near future". The product will have worldwide distribution and will be offered by over 20 carriers by the end of this year.
Analysts have been predicting Palm will release a sub-$300 smartphone this year using previous generation radio technologies. It could likely be a GSM/EDGE device that runs Palm OS Garnet. It is expected to be competitively priced against lower cost smartphone recently introduced such as the Motorola Q, BlackBerry Perl and the Nokia E62.
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RE: What? Only 1 device?
That would be cool.
Hey! Maybe the Zune Phone =is= the NGT!
Nah, Toshiba's doing all that stuff, aren't they?
RE: What? Only 1 device?
Features I would want in Zire 73
480X320 Screen
Better quality camera- not so much resolution but good at getting good lighting and focus
WIFI
Features I would want in a tx2
MICROPHONE!
Faster processor
Improvements to blazer or a new browser
Both should have a good integrated media player and a service to get palm formatted movies on line inexpensively. - How about this- put your dvd in your pc drive and service confirms you have it then sends you a palm ready verison of the movie for a small fee.
Both should have a revamped grafitti that learns your handwriting.
/my two cents
RE: What? Only 1 device?
RE: What? Only 1 device?
JPT|X @ 10/6/2006 8:38:19 AM #
There have been no rumors so it probably won't be- but I would like to see a zire 73 or a tx 2
Features I would want in Zire 73
480X320 Screen
Better quality camera- not so much resolution but good at getting good lighting and focus
WIFI
That, and support for FITALY would get $400 out of my pocket.
RE: What? Only 1 device?
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David
My predictions...
I think Palm might be good for at least one new PDA model, based on some retailers reporting display removal and spotty availability of the LD, E2 and TX as of late. If I have to make a REALISTIC (edumacated?) guess based on Palm's track record and the current PDA market climate I'd predict the new models (assuming there are any) to be the following:
Z33: Exact same unit as Z22 but with a headphone jack & SD slot added. PTunes in ROM and FAT32-enabled. $99.99 MSRP. Palm would be wise to push this one towards people who might be inclined to buy an iPod Nano or Shuffle....maybe offer a free 1gb SD card with purchae for a holiday promo or something.
TX2: Idential cosmetics to the current TX other than the addition of a microphone in the case. It'll have 128mb program memory and a 1gb flash drive ala T5 and per Brighthand's "hint". It'll also likely have the Bluetooth 1.2 stack and the sporadic GUI enhancements of the 700P. I'd also expect Palm to improve the heap & dbcache memory on this one over its predecessor as well.
Software wise, it'll likely run OS 5.4.9 and, if we're lucky, have the new Core Player and DTG 9 in ROM. Same $299.99 MSRP as before.
E3: There's an outside chance of this one. Should be nothing more than the E2 with a newer OS and software bundle along with 64mb RAM and BT 1.2. I'd expect a darker, less fingerprint-prone finish on the body as well. Price will stay at $199.99. If there's no E3 then they will just keep selling the E2 it for the forseeable future.
I am not expecting a LifeDrive 2 due to several reasons. The general size/heat/battery consumption/fragility of the Microdrives is the main one. FrankenGarnet's issues with volumes >4gb is another major issue...and Palm's unwillingness to spend the $ on 4gb of flash is another. I forsee a TX with at least a gig of internal flash as a much more likely (and logical) device.
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Couple of additional thoughts
Palm could theoretically milk the 750v formfactor for another CDMA POS Treo refresh for Sprint/Verizon sometime in '07 and get another 12 to 18 months out of the platform.
I also wouldn't be surprused to see Palm use a micro or miniSD slot on a Z22 replacement in order to keep it "small". That'd also somehow play up this new notion amongst the electronics manufacturers that SD/SDHC is the new CF (big size and for "serious" device) while the useless micro/mini spinoff formats are for "fun" products.
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RE: My predictions...
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RE: My predictions...
If they are released as I think, the new Palm OS (what i'll call POSII) will almost certainly win over ALP simply because of name recognition. Either way, WM is almost certain to be facing some really serious competition within a few months (next fall at the very latest, but I don't think it will be that long).
RE: My predictions...
The day the music (PalmOS) died...
You are correct is guessing that Palm lacks the ability to create a new STABLE version of PalmOS. In case you didn't realize, the "original PalmOS developers and the BeOS crew they hired" are no longer around. These people left Palm and PalmSource a long time ago. Unfortunately, PalmOS died the day that Access bought PalmSource. Palm's future is Windows Mobile with (optional) PalmOS emulation thrown in to make Windows Mobile a little more palatable to PalmOS veterans.
TVoR
RE: My predictions...
Although one could make a reasonable case that PalmOS died when Garnet was released.
May You Live in Interesting Times
RE: My predictions...
RE: My predictions...
I love it to bits - but it is doomed. The only question is what will replace it in our hearts - ALP, or a new offering from Palm? It sure as heck won't be Winmob unless some design changes are made.
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650
RE: My predictions...
Didn't someone here with some insider info claim last year that it takes, rule of thumb, more like a 8-12 months for devices to appear on store shelves after an OS is released to manufacturers?
Keep in mind that in regards to the Treos, it's the carriers that make the call on what devices to purchae and which ones to skip. Verizon, conservative as they are, may actually prefer to stick with a known evil (FrankenGarnet) instead of making a leap of faith with Palm's first/only in-house OS. Then you have the additional possibility that Garnet could continue to stick around for another year or two as the low-end OS of choice for <$200 PDAs and smartphones.
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RE: My predictions...
2) It would not be palm's first in house OS. In fact, it would be the fourth. That is: The original POS, Palm OS5, Palm OS6 (Cobalt), and "Palm OS II" (as we are commonly calling it". Yes, it was palm that started the OS6 project... It is absolutely certain to me that when Palm Source was spun off Palm itself kept copies of probably all the technical data. The only thing was that Palm/PalmOne lost its OS programmers. But now we know that Palm has been hiring new programmers, we think to fill the gap. What's more: Palm wouldn't need particularly good programmers to develop a new linux kernel based OS. They would simply need programmers with the skill to manipulate the linux kernel (there are lots of them available) and to write a few new modules -- that is, a new GUI, API, compatability platform of some kind, etc.
RE: My predictions...
That was an estimate that was thrown around in semi-defense of the Cobalt snafu. Realistically, you can have a non-converged device out running a new OS in two months, and a converged device in eight months.
RE: My predictions...
I think Palm is smart enough to focus on smartphones exclusively - and exit the low-margin, low-growth PDA market. Why waste resources on a dead market?
RE: My predictions...
You're having vision problems if you can't tell the former PSRC developers from the peanut gallery.
I've been listening to you all whine for far too long.
You're the only one who controls what you listen to.
You, and those like you, have been predicting the death of Palm for years now and you know what?
Actually, you've got me confused with someone else. I never predicted the death of Palm above, I merely pointed out when PalmOS died.
You have always been wrong, and continue to be wrong. I, for one, cannot tolerate trolls such as yourselves (even though I know full-well that I'm simply playing into your idiotic little games).
You definitely have me confused with someone else. I worked on PalmOS for a year and still work with people who used to work on PalmOS. I'm no troll. I'm merely someone inside the industry who knows enough to know that PalmOS is dead and gone.
When Palm ships their last Garnet based device, that will be the last PalmOS device shipped.
Get used to it.
May You Live in Interesting Times
R U A Crackhead?
1) It only takes so long to implement a new system in devices as manufacturers choose to take. Especially with a linux-based system, turn around time could be as short as a couple months if the OEMs would put in a little effort.
2) It would not be palm's first in house OS. In fact, it would be the fourth. That is: The original POS, Palm OS5, Palm OS6 (Cobalt), and "Palm OS II" (as we are commonly calling it". Yes, it was palm that started the OS6 project... It is absolutely certain to me that when Palm Source was spun off Palm itself kept copies of probably all the technical data. The only thing was that Palm/PalmOne lost its OS programmers. But now we know that Palm has been hiring new programmers, we think to fill the gap. What's more: Palm wouldn't need particularly good programmers to develop a new linux kernel based OS. They would simply need programmers with the skill to manipulate the linux kernel (there are lots of them available) and to write a few new modules -- that is, a new GUI, API, compatability platform of some kind, etc.
Wake up and accept reality, Bubba: PalmOS cannot withstand the hacking that has been required to make it compete with more modern mobile OSes.
If you really believe that a device running "new PalmOS" could be released less than a year after this apocryphal OS was finalized you must be on crack. Really.
Palm has has around 6 versions of PalmOS since 1996. And if you really think "Palm wouldn't need particularly good programmers to develop a new linux kernel based OS. They would simply need programmers with the skill to manipulate the linux kernel (there are lots of them available) and to write a few new modules -- that is, a new GUI, API, compatability platform of some kind, etc." then it's time for you to get help with your crack addiction. It's rotting (rotted?) your brain.
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Actually, the REAL day PalmOS died was when Gassée and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang showed up at Palm after someone greased Gassée's "Palm" to buy his worthless company, Be. The presence of the Be Dumba$$es eventually resulted in PalmSource trying to overreach its mandate, leading to the Cobalt Catastrophe, loss of licensees, unstable/buggy devices, delayed smartphone rollouts/testing and the implosion of the PDA market. Someone should have biotchslapped George silly for failing to reign in the dumba$$es under his (shaky) command. Be employees are like a cancer - they should have been immediately excised and incinerated before they had the chance to destroy Palm's vital organ (PalmOS).
TVoR
TX2? T4?
I have a T3 and a TX. I use both, for different purposes. But I agree witht the comments above wanting a faster CPU than the TX, and more memory. NOT a microdrive though...high capacity SD cards are cheaper and replaceable/upgradeable.
Odd not to see any 'leaks' of a non-Treo device though. There always seem to be leaks before the announcements, and since there are none about a 'TX2", my guess is that it will be another in the Treo line.... :(
RE: TX2? T4?
RE: TX2? T4?
Wow! I'm gonna be at that show
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RE: Wow! I'm gonna be at that show
They are going to regret it big time if they abandon or even just neglect handhelds.
RE: Wow! I'm gonna be at that show
Just visited their new "Palm Store" in the ritziest new upscale mall in San Francisco the other day. It's a little cubbyhole, about the size and feel of those independent cell phone stores that market to people without a clue, mostly in innercity immigrant communities.
Inside, one wall was covered with a few styluses, GPS units, a few Palm branded cases and such. They had a couple non-Palm cases, though out of stock except for the demos (nice grand opening!). All retail priced, nothing interesting to someone who already has the basics. And most striking - if they had any devices - they were sure hard to locate (and this is a *tiny* store!). It's so wierd to figure out who exactly they are marketing to - they have very little a Palm veteran would bother with, and whatever they do have that would be useful to a newbie is full retail price and isn't very inviting to demo. In fact, you get the sense they don't want you demoing their stuff... odd, odd, odd.
And if you've ever been to the rollouts for Palm, you know it's nothing (or very little) to do with the devices. They hold them in bars, feed you nice appetizers and have flashy games and such, and a little eye candy. There are a few miniscule stands with several interesting vendors with occasionally powerful things. *BUT* the noise is atrocious, and the vendors are juggling around all the people who *have* to visit their booth in order to get game tokens for the silly games so much that you can't really get a demo with much attention span. I get the sense from the rollout events that Palm's markets are thirtysomething freeloading drunks who like to watch NASCAR, and only have a Palm device to impress the babes with their technological prowess watching television on their phone.
Bottom line, Palm seems to blow a lot of money throwing drinking parties and opening kiosks to advertise their big orange logo, but if you want to actually learn anything about how a Palm can work for you then you better come to the forums 'cause Palm is M.I.A.
If I were a Palm stockholder, I'd be pissed.
OLED
Lower costs.
Thinner.
Ultra wide viewing angles. Like CRT.
Gorgeous colors.
Lower battery needs.
As usual, Geeko is full of sh*t
Even after owning a VZ90 for over a year I'm still impressed with how good the OLED screen is. The typical reaction that experienced PDA users have on first seeing the VZ90's screen is slack-jawed amazement. It's THAT good.
OLED screens are a quantum leap forward, almost as significant as the jump from monochrome to color. As usual, people don't know what they're missing until they finally get the opportunity to use a technology.
TVoR
RE: OLED
Nobody gives a shiit about OLED and it's certainly not going to "dramatically revigorate interest in true mobile computing device aka handhelds". Handhelds are DEAD and OLED can't resurrect them - except maybe in your wet dreams.
Now get back to the help desk and help someone change the printer paper. All that mental institution cafeteria food is starting to rot your perverted brain.
RE: OLED
You need to start taking you Haldol again, Geeko. Remember: your problems are just due to a "chemical imbalance".
TVoR
Concerned in The City
cost of OLED
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650
RE: OLED
One of the major roadblocks to OLED acceptance, as I understand it, is that they have a limited lifespan, only about 5,000 hours. Admittedly, that's 8 hours a day for two years, but it's still a lot less than LCDs.
RE: OLED
I'm surprised Sony's MYLO device doesn't come with an OLED screen. This would have been the perfect device to showcase OLED technology.
TVoR
RE: OLED
You see where Sony's getting out of the personal desktop PC display market? I wonder if that'll affect their small LCDs for OEMs (ala the T|T era Palms) as well? I assuming they are going to put their muscle into their joint LCD venture with Samsung (aka the "new" Sony) and jettisoning non-core businesses. I'd expect the VAIO desktop PC line to go next since it's always languished in the shadow in the shadow of their incredibly styled and designed notebooks. I also expect the Mylo to go bye-bye as well.
You know what would make for a fantastic PSP turn around strategy? Hit the market with two PSP refreshes--a regular version with a conventional LCD and 1gb internal storage and a "deluxe" version with an OLED screen and 4gb internal. It's a shame the PSP wasn't designed with a touchscreen in mind. It would've been a marvelous fit for some leftover Clie/Palm hybrid PIM apps.
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the low down
RE: the low down
more fat bricks (Treos) ? or someday a thin flip Palmphone ?
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What? Only 1 device?
"a product announcement"
So only ONE device? As in 1 other god forsaken Treo phone? No true mobile computing handheld?
I am going to be so pissed if that is the case.