Treo 700p Update Posted Again
Palm has made the Sprint Treo 700p maintenance release updater available again. According to Palm only the SD card updater version is being made available at this time, as the Windows Installer's issues are still being investigated. Still no word on the timing for a Verizon release.
After numerous delays, the Sprint 700p Update was originally posted in early June, more than a year after the device's debut. It was removed a few days after due to reports of an installation issue that causes the device to continuously reset when applying the software update.
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RE: Verizon update
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Verizon update
HKK,
As much as I feel for the 700 owners, it keeps getting harder and harder to think that the ones waiting on a 700p patch are NOT the suckers. Waiting on Palm+carriers to correct the laundry list of 700p issues, reminds me of "snipe hunting". How long should you wait?
Disclaimer: If you ain't from Dixie, then you'll get a pass for not knowing what snipe hunting is. :-D
Pat Horne
RE: Verizon update
RE: Verizon update
As for this 700p Verizon user, what other choice do I have but to wait it out?
If the 755p comes out in the next month or so I may try to sweettalk Verizon CS into giving me one at a good price. Otherwise, I'll just wait on the 700p patch and see what the Gandolf/800p/whatever ends up being. Otherwise, it might end up that I'll just go back to a TX + VZW dumbphone combo for the forseeable future...
Pilot 1000-->Pilot 5000-->PalmPilot Pro-->IIIe-->Vx-->m505-->T|T-->T|T2-->T|C-->T|T3-->T|T5-->TX-->Treo 700P
RE: Verizon update
If you ain't from Dixie, then you'll get a pass for not knowing what snipe hunting is.
Heck, I'm from way north of the line, and even us Indiana boys know what snipe hunting is. No excuses for anyone.
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RE: Verizon update
I suggest taking the 700p down to the corporate store with it stuck in an endless reset loop. Ask them politely to just swap it out for a 755 upon release. When they say no, just grap the box and accessories, run out to the middle of the showroom, fall to the floor and start kickin and screaming. That should get it.
Pat Horne
Not this time...
D. Martin
Former Amiga/Commodore Author/Writer/Reviewer
700P - iPhone
http://www.macminute.com/2007/06/22/iphone-guided-tour/
One can already read Word and Excel Files, and PDF on iPhone + YouTube...
iPhone will get IT Corporate world on board... So, WHY would anyone buy another Treo, or any other Smartphone NOW, when in a week iPhone would be out, with it's ATT Price Plans etc..
The REAL 3rd Party apps will come.. And so might camcorder, voice recorder, more GB of Flash...
I used to be a Palm ZEALOT, and now, after having 700P for year I feel betrayed... Add to that iPhone, and all it's promises, I might splurge, and the hell with the Verizon Cancellation Fee... -- life's too short...
Of course, I'll have to see iPhone in person, and make sure my Entourage Email, and Palm Deskto Data can be moved easily and synced with iPhone and my Powerbook 17. If all that goes smoothly --
GOOD BYE PALM!!!!
iPhone IS what the NEXT PALM was supposed to be, and more...
Apple has a proven record of SUCCESS, Palm is a chronic disasters parade!!!
RE: 700P - iPhone
RE: 700P - iPhone
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: 700P - iPhone
Arthur
Palm Pilot 1000 > Palm Pilot Professional > Palm III > Palm M100 > Sony Clié PEG-T415 > Palm T|T3 > Samsung SCH-i730 > Palm 700p
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! Puh-lease.
Colligan is that you? Better put down the Palm crack pipe and realize that the Treo's better days are behind it.
How strange. Every Treo I've upgraded to has been better than the last one. Even weirder - sales are growing! Very odd for a product whose better days are behind it.
What makes matters worse is that Palm has no idea what to do next. Once the full line of iPhones come out it will be time to turn the lights out in Sunnyvale.
Mmmmmmmmm. No idea. Apart from their new Linux OS, you mean? Apart from the promise of new Treo designs, now that they can point to the Foleo for their business users? And this "iPhone" of which you speak - do you mean the one that's restricted to one carrier and one country only? The one that's $500, with contract? Oo, sounds like it's going to completely take over. Palm should just close up now. Take me, Apple. Take me now!
The Palm Developer community is all but gone
You mean like Toysoft, MotionApps, Normsoft, GoTreoSoftware, Softick, DataViz, Astraware, CoreCodec, Kinoma, Google, Handmark, Opera and GX5? (and that's not even the full list of companies whose software I currently have on my Treo!)
Blackberry is the better alternative for the corporate world and iPhone for the private sector.
Ah, the touchscreen-less Blackberry that isn't as compatible with as many kinds of email is better? I didn't realise! And that iPhone again - you mean the one that doesn't have a keyboard or buttons for easy one-handed navigation? The one that does Yahoo push email and that's it?The one that syncs your PIM data with freaking iTunes? I can hear the business users screaming for one already!
Oh I forgot the Fooleo will be Palm's saving grace...right.
The Foleo is not the killer device everyone was hoping for, but that doesn't mean it's not going to fill a profitable niche in the business market. It also means that if it flops (and that's a distinct possibility) it's not going to take Palm down with it, as the open-ended easy-to-use Treo will remain their bread-and-butter.
Palm have taken a long time to get their act together, and we're going to be waiting awhile yet. Yes, that's frustrating. But so long as they still have the market's most functional, versatile smartphone, I don't think the majority of their customers care all that much.
Enough with the doomsaying already. Palm aren't going away anytime in the forseeable future.
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680
RE: 700P - iPhone
> last one...
Skipped a couple in there, eh - like the 700w?
> ...Even weirder - sales are growing!...
The problem with the way PALM reports sell-in and sell-through statistics is that they don't break out what models are doing what. You might hear or read PALM saying:
== "Record sell-through!"
in the same breath as:
== "Margins have been maintained!"
and you could jump to the conclusion that PALM is selling more of their latest model TREOs, thus "succeeding".
But, of course and NEVER to be forgotten, PALM doesn't break out models on sell-in/sell-through for a reason, thus your conclusion may be totally wrong.
That is to say, when you offer rebates or assistance-to-sellers to offload TREO 650s, you can sell-THROUGH many more devices than before (*) - and the accounting for it is delayed considerably thus allowing a dramatic bottomline as well (eventually having to pay the Piper, of course).
So...sales are growing! Yeah, but what devices?
========
(*) I'm a perfect example of someone who bought due to one of these assisted-sell plans - I bought MY phone because it was free - I would have chosen a RAZR were my phone not free, too, thus THAT marketing plan empirically increased MY phone sell-THROUGH by one (er...two - one for spouse, too).
RE: 700P - iPhone
Mmmmmmmmm. No idea. Apart from their new Linux OS
And which device has this again? Right now I can't tell the difference between it and Cobalt.
Ah, the touchscreen-less Blackberry that isn't as compatible with as many kinds of email is better? I didn't realise! And that iPhone again - you mean the one that doesn't have a keyboard or buttons for easy one-handed navigation? The one that does Yahoo push email and that's it?The one that syncs your PIM data with freaking iTunes? I can hear the business users screaming for one already!
You must not live in the real world where Blackberrys dominate the corporate world. You must not read well either as I said the iPhone will dominate the private sector.
The Foleo is not the killer device everyone was hoping for
No kidding! Nor one that will sell.
Enough with the doomsaying already. Palm aren't going away anytime in the forseeable future.
Palm hasn't been going anywhere in quite some time. That's the whole problem.
PDA's Past and Present:
Palm - IIIxe, Vx, M500, M505, Tungsten T, TX
Handspring - Edge, Platinum, Deluxe
Sony - SJ22
Apple - MP110, MP2000, MP2100
RE: 700P - iPhone
Apart from the Foleo which has been all over the news for the last month? Do you really think it's not going to be adapted for Palm's handheld devices? Yes, it will take time - probably too long, knowing Palm - but to say they "don't know what to do next" is rubbish. They clearly have a plan. Its success or failure will become clear in time.
You must not live in the real world where Blackberrys dominate the corporate world. You must not read well either as I said the iPhone will dominate the private sector.
Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't realise that "popular" meant "better" in your language. My mistake! (By the way, the "private sector" IS "the corporate world", unless I've been misreading things very badly...)
Keep drinking that kool-aid Freakout.
Wouldn't dream of stopping, when it tastes so nice...
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680
RE: 700P - iPhone
Well, the 700w was the first Windows Treo, and apart from being under-specced on RAM, it was a fairly good WinMob device from all the reviews I read. The 700wx was better, and the 750 has been called one of the best WinMob phones available. So on the Windows side of things, things have been steadily improving too.
As for the Palm ones - despite the agony that the many 700p bugs have caused, it was still a more capable and fully-featured device than its predecessor, the 650. It brought much-needed exta RAM, 3G and Bluetooth 1.2. Then the 680 brought a nice new form factor and even better stability. The 755 was better again, with 3G and the nice new form factor.
Despite people constantly saying the Treo is crap and hasn't gone anywhere, it really doesn't take more than a cursory look to show just how wrong they are. All we need now are landscape screened versions and wifi. (and a new OS, but as stated earlier, I'm sure that's coming.)
RE: 700P - iPhone
Palm can't get out of its own way anymore with updates (the 700p fiasco) and can't seem to come up with anything NEW (how long are they going to keep re-hashing the Treo form-factor?). The iPhone, like it or not, represents some new thinking, like an interface that does not need a stylus, auto-rotation, or real ease-of-use. And let’s not forget Apple has managed to stuff it all in a much slimmer, lighter package than the brick-like Treo.
Palm is simply having money issues. They can't afford to spend the money on REALLY new products or keeping their existing ones updated. They had the PDA market at one time, but that has gone away with the smartphone and they have just failed at keeping up with the rest of the industry. The iPhone is just on example - there is a bunch of other offerings out there that are far more desirable than the Treo.
It’s a shame really – Palm at one time had it going on.
RE: 700P - iPhone
I think the business segment with regard to gadgets is something that only exist in the US. There may be many reasons for this, but I think the main reason is the Americans urge to be uniform, and particularly within the business segment. In Europe a phone is something you change every 6 months so you look good. Anyway, it is a small niche, in global spec it is miniscule, but most importantly it is a niche that is *not* the technology leader, it is not even technology driven, and certainly not something to associate yourself with if you are going to be hip, cool, or even stylish and classy. It is impossible to walk around with a Bleckberry or Treo and at the same time be classy and stylish, or even geeky (then you go for HTC or a Linux phone if you can get one, or simply an N95).
Having looked at the iPhone more closely I find it both classy and stylish, maybe to the point of being boring, boring in the "Desperate-Housewives"-kind of way, if you know what I mean. It is definitely not geeky or hip or cool, although the technology is cool. It is THE perfect toy for grown up girls (women, housewifes in particular), and will therefore sell alot, in the US at least. I don't think it will sell much elsewhere, the specs are just too low at the moment (2 MP camera, no 3G etc). When it finally comes to Europe it will be old news as well as being even more outdated technologically. Besides, watching movies on a small gadget is just too geeky (or plain childish) to be classy, yet the device itself is too classy to be geeky, so for all practical purposes it will be a walkman phone and has to compete with SE who comes with a new and classi*er* walkman phone several times a year (SE need some competition here, but the iPhone is not it, not even close at the moment). I have to admit that the iPhone seems to redefine ease of use in a phone, which is THE weak spot on all Nokia phones, and in this respect it pushes the technology several notches compared with any other phone. So, the iPhone clearly is the leader in ease of use as well as being both classy and stylish. In some ways it is a technology leader, and it has to be because it is heading for a technology driven market segment, the main segment, the largest segment. Point is: if Apple chooses to go for the American business segment sometime in the near future, they will totally wipe out both RIM and Palm. Chances are that the iPhone even with today's specs will be good *enough* for the American business segment (and if the boss has one, the rest will follow ...)
The Foleo, which I think is an extremely good idea and concept in general, is also aimed at that miniscule market segment. I just can't for the best of me understand why Palm has chosen that path - again. By increasing the specs just enough to use YouTube, the market suddenly widends several thousand times.
RE: 700P - iPhone
Here's what I want:
* A pocketable device. The Treo is at what I consider to be the upper limit of "pocketable", so nothing bigger please.
* A touchscreen - hugely important.
* A simple interface with easy one-handed navigation. PalmOS is clearly the winner over all its challengers: WinMob is too clunky, Symbian usually hides everything under a damn menu, and the iPhone will require two-handed use for nearly everything. Blackberry is okay, but not fantastic.
* An exposed QWERTY keyboard.
* Versatility, meaning my choice of apps to install. PalmOS and WinMob devices are the only real choices here.
So far as I know, the Treo is the only device that meets all the above conditions. The Blackberry comes close, but loses out on touchscreen and versatility.
Tim
I apologise for any and all emoticons that appear in my posts. You may shoot them on sight.
Treo 270 ---> Treo 650 ---> Crimson Treo 680
Call CS
I would suggest you get on the phone with them and complain about how your business is hurt by this piece of junk.
I told them the truth and they saw i have exchanged the treo phone 6 times now because of defects
RE: Call CS
Treo sales numbers
RE: Treo sales numbers
From http://www.symbian.com/about/fastfacts/fastfacts.html it shows that "other OS", mostly Palm I assume, sold 40k units in Q1 07 and 50k in Q1 06. That blog above report 470k treos Q1 06 and 569k treos Q1 07. If this is to make sense, then 9 of 10 Treos had MS OS in Q1 06 and 13 of 14 had MS OS in Q1 07. But that doesn't make sense either because the 700W didn't come before Q3 06. Hmmm
Palm going down.
I have used from Palm 150c, Zire 71, Treo 650 and 700p. They were just simple but frequently freezing device. I have WM device that has sluggish speed and urgly user-frustrated interface.
iPhone or Prada phone will be the answer soon and many other phone will follow the phones that are more easy to use, stylish and stable.
Verizon 'Service'
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Verizon update
I know, I know, give 'em an inch, and they'll want a mile, but I've never had a Sprint 700P, only a Verizon 700P. The Sprint information just makes me want the update even more, and we have been awaiting this update just as anxiously as the Sprint users...
Arthur
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