Palm CES Event Video Highlights

Posted By: PIC Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:28:21 PM

Palm Pre VideoWe've just uploaded the first of our series of video highlights from Palm's CES event today. For starters, we've posted the first few minutes showcasing Jon Rubinstein and Ed Colligan's introduction of the most impressive hardware release in Palm's history. In addition, we've got a 8 minute clip of the live demonstration of the WebOS UI and features on the Palm Pre during the event.

As time permits, we will be posting additional details, videos and articles from CES. In the meantime enjoy these first videos after the break.

P.S. - Keep checking the video gallery for more footage that we have on the way. Now we are off to see Palm. Also, my apologies for the typo at the beginning of the video. It's quite difficult edit videos on an EEE PC while surrounded by a crowd of press and under great duress in general.

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Great job guys!

Gekko @ 1/8/2009 4:36:44 PM # Q

great work on the coverage.

looks like a great phone. this is light years ahead of my centro. this jump for Palm is like going from an C-64 to a 2009 PC.

i think i'll buy one.

RE: Great job guys!
MikeT5 @ 1/9/2009 9:41:30 AM # Q
Agreed-The Pre is so beautiful it makes you wanna cry! Even Colligan looks good w/o his 5 O'clock shadow! You've all heard this one before, but after financing 1/2 of the national debt and TARP bailout plan with my legacy apps, which date back to initial releases and upgrades for the IIIc (remember that one: "keeps on ticking after clicking"), T5 (still great on a wireless keyboard for landscaping spreadsheets), and my decked-out "'Claus'-ified" Centro, I hope the Pre will support a decent emulator until the developers convert their wares over to WebOS. The Pre really, really looks great in its design, engineering, multi-tasking software, and execution, and seems to be keeping pace, if not exceening, cutting-edge graphics. A real "Dream Machine, palm! Stay in the clouds and keep up the great work!

RE: Great job guys!
LiveFaith @ 1/9/2009 9:51:43 AM # Q
Ti OMAP 3430 chipset will allow up to 720x360 encoding / decoding at 30fps. Core runs at 550mhz, with full 2D/3D accels. This is a powerful graphical device and absolutely beautiful execution of hardware and software. I'm stunned to be frank about it.

Ed Colligen deserves some serious kudos here. Not for blowing CEO smoke for the past 5 years while Palm drifted without a sail in the sea. But, obviously Palm DID spend a long time/$$$ doing analysis on a future OS. More importantly, he got on the airplane to Mexico and sold the relaxing podfather on Palm future hopes. Obviously that guy is a visionary and product phenom.

I'm excited, but waiting on the HSPDA version for ATT. Would $pend this afternoon if not for Sprint and it's sad coverage here in the sticks.

Pat Horne

RE: Great job guys!
mikecane @ 1/11/2009 9:41:04 AM # Q
>>>Core runs at 550mhz

Yeah, but is Palm *underclocking* it? We don't know, do we? Witness the netbooks that have come out with underclocked CPUs to extend battery life.

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I'm truly blown away

scstraus2 @ 1/8/2009 5:12:35 PM # Q
I really didn't think they still had it in them. Well done Palm- I love you again.

Palm Pilot 5000->Palm Pilot Professional->Handspring Visor->Handspring Visor Prism->Handspring Visor Neo->Handspring Treo 180->Handspring Treo 270->Palm Treo 600->Tapwave Zodiac 2->Palm Treo 650->Palm Treo 680->...

Samsung i780!

Goodbye Palm

RE: I'm truly blown away
medevilenemy @ 1/8/2009 8:37:57 PM # Q
I sooooo want one of those... can't afford one, but still... maybe by the time its available for verizon customers...

Hey, scstraus2, think its time to remove "goodbye palm" from your sig? :-p

RE: I'm truly blown away
averageguy @ 1/8/2009 11:27:22 PM # Q
what what what!!! ive been waiting for years. finally something i would not be embarrassed to have in public

m125-zire 71-zire 72-zodiac 2-fossil wrist pda
"Never pay full price for late pizza" Michelangelo
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Palm Pre on CNBC

Gekko @ 1/8/2009 5:22:48 PM # Q

http://vimeo.com/2765052?pg=embed&sec=2765052



RE: Palm Pre on CNBC
LiveFaith @ 1/9/2009 10:26:01 AM # Q
Yessssssssssss! Listen to the EP hypster at :05+ ... "THE PHONE IS SMALLER BUT THE SCREEN IS B I G G E R ...". WooooooHoooooo! Somebody out there is listening. I've (and others) been begging on here since the Zire 71 leak in a French sales flyer back in uhhhh 2002?

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa125/livefaith/71vg.jpg

Way 2 Go Palm!

Pat Horne

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This is all very nice but . . .

Caspian @ 1/9/2009 5:51:06 AM # Q
Without clear backward compatibility, it is not a Palm device in the sense that it has meant to be a Palm device for the last 12 years. With this new device, Palm has killed development for the POS and it has killed devices running the POS. So, except for the fact that it carries a name that I have used for years, it is a completely new device requiring new software and giving me no compelling reason to remain loyal to Palm. I don't understand the reasoning behind creating a new device and OS that alienates an existing user and developer base and tying it to single carrier.

I hope that we are all so blown away by how great the new webOS performs and by the quality of the hardware that we forget all of the devices and applications that have just been orphaned.

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
imfallen_angel @ 1/9/2009 6:40:06 AM # Q
That's the first thing I though also...

backward compatibility... could we import our data (address book, agenda, etc.) and will it at least have an emulator (at the very least) to use the old Palm software.


Second thing... how much memory does it have? and what about SD card capacity? I've yet to see anything about that.

Third thing: media capacity? the site states ACC and some others, but what about WMA? DivX/Xvid? These two are the bread and butter on my present Palm and won't care about any new devices if they are missing these.

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
Caspian @ 1/9/2009 7:12:39 AM # Q
There appears to be no built-in backward compatibility. So, you will need to rely on a 3rd party emulator or buy all new apps, which don't exist yet.

Built-in memory is 8GB. No card slot. If I need more than 2GB on my TX, I plan to get Dmitry's app to let my TX run high capacity SD cards while I wait out the Pre to see who will carry it and what it will really do.

Palm lists the formats that it will run natively.

My guess is that this will create a market for Palm OS emulators on the major smartphone platforms to provide an escape route for long time users to move to other platforms, including webOS. The lack of compatibility with legacy POS application surprises me most.



David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 7:24:29 AM # Q
> ...will need to rely on a 3rd party emulator...

And the emulator will need to be written in javascript and HTML.

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
Caspian @ 1/9/2009 7:37:04 AM # Q
I am not a programmer, but I understand from reading other's comments that building an emulator will not be an easy process if it is possible at all. There are really two issues involved, one is moving data to the new device and the other is running legacy applications on the new device. Data migration should be possible, running legacy applications seems to be a big question. And even if it became possible, would we like the performance? I know that you can run Windows on a Mac, but who would choose to do that as a long term solution? (That's a rhetorical question, to please no barbs from Mac users.)

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: This is all very nice but . . .
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 7:42:15 AM # Q
My reply was facetious, of course.

An emulator needs (emulated) access to the hardware, minimally. The Pre is not advertised to allow that at this time - web or bust.

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
Caspian @ 1/9/2009 7:50:55 AM # Q
You could obviously tell that I am not a programmer. So the answer is that it will be impossible to run legacy apps, is that right?

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: This is all very nice but . . .
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 7:58:00 AM # Q
It certainly is impossible at THIS time. We have no clue what Palm has up their sleeves for 6+ months down the line...

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
BaalthazaaR @ 1/9/2009 8:07:11 AM # Q
I thought that it ran Linux underneath. There should be a way to run non webos apps, and have the launcher launch it.
RE: This is all very nice but . . .
LiveFaith @ 1/9/2009 10:35:22 AM # Q
Getting data over from PIMs should have about a dozen "cat skinning" methods right now. Beyond that, Palm as with OS5, will most likely streamline that for legacy user.

As far as backward compatibility, I have no reports on it. Probably no emulation. Sure waiting for apps is no fun, but this platform WILL generate it's own economy and most everything will be replaced with something much better. Emulating is a pretty nasty experience in most cases anyway. Hopefully the Linux core can be accessed for tons of cool goodies as we go forward.

No expansion on this Pre. 8mb + cloud is Palm's answer. I still would like MicroSD, but its no deal breaker. Palm is really forward looking here. This type device is about updated usage patterns.

We always have the trusty (rusty) Treos to hold on to for a while to watch the sparks.

Pat Horne

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
hkklife @ 1/9/2009 11:01:17 AM # Q
It was hinted at that it is "All Web now, All Web always"

A few hints were dropped very quietly that MAYBe for a big-name game title or something that really stresses the hardware as a killer app, they might make "certain exceptions" but I would not hold my breath on it.


Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

RE: This is all very nice but . . .
hotpaw4 @ 1/9/2009 5:58:42 PM # Q
> "All Web now, All Web always"

That would cut out a significant portion of the gaming market, and slow down development of some of the types of games that could adapt.

.

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Was anything other than windowing demoed?

SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 5:56:09 AM # Q
Real question - was anything demonstrated other than the windowing stuff? The two videos I just saw here, for example, did NOT demonstrate anything other than windowing stuff. ("cards' sure do look like windows to me!)

Was Wi-FI done? GPS? REAL browsing?

Anyone got some links to videos showing this stuff?

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 9:09:06 AM # Q
Video? Sound? Flash? Copy-n-paste?

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 9:10:17 AM # Q
Camera?

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
DrewT3 @ 1/9/2009 10:03:06 AM # Q
Yes, http://tinyurl.com/9n5c9m

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 10:10:58 AM # Q
I'm seeing lots of videos showing windowing features.

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
DrewT3 @ 1/9/2009 10:13:57 AM # Q
The third link has web browsing, photo and music viewing, messaging.

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
SeldomVisitor @ 1/9/2009 10:29:44 AM # Q
I don't think I saw web browsing (need to be online?), though video, camera, sound are there.

RE: Was anything other than windowing demoed?
DrewT3 @ 1/9/2009 10:31:31 AM # Q
There is a web browsing one somewhere - the demoee asks to see YouTube and notices that the flash video does not play. The demoer shows NYTimes.com and comments that they are using a WiFi connection.

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beautiful

danceman @ 1/9/2009 6:24:38 AM # Q
this thing is beautiful

RE: beautiful
chuckwjk1 @ 1/9/2009 8:51:20 AM # Q
Yes, it is very clever and beautiful alright. Now what is this Sprint Stuff!!. Where is GSM support??. I am not willing to jump to Sprint for this phone or any other phone. I do want to see this in a GSM unlocked flavor.

Palms owned: IIIe-> M125-> T|T-> T|3-> Tx-> Treo608 (unlocked)
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Might be too clever

mikecane @ 1/9/2009 7:05:20 AM # Q
I was thinking about the OS today and it hit me that the Gesture Area could be the FAIL spot for this.

The OS dev in the demo made a point of talking about how the screen lacks things lack "back arrows" and the like - clearly a shot at the iPhone. Fine, take that shot. But OTOH, everything is *right there* on the screen for iPhone buyers to see.

This bottom Gesture Area is not intuitive. It's a Learning Step.

I keep wondering how many people, with Classic Palm OS, actually used strokes in the Graffiti Area - like to call up, for example, the Graffiti Cheatsheet. I don't think most did. (I'm not a representative sampling; I had hacks that ADDED strokes to the Graffiti Area!)

How many people will wind up with a ton of apps open (which Palm says is no problem, but...), maybe even *open emails*, not knowing how to flick things off the screen to "close" them or how to move through cards via the Gesture Area?

It'd be interesting to know if Palm did Focus Groups about this new UI. And if, in those groups, they specifically had to *tell* people to use the Gesture Area and to flick things *off* the top of the screen.

Yes, Pal, has done breakthrough work with that - but is it actually *intuitive*?

RE: Might be too clever
mikecane @ 1/9/2009 7:05:52 AM # Q
Out, damn typo! "Yes, Pal," = "Yes, Palm," Yeesh.

RE: Might be too clever
mikecane @ 1/9/2009 7:07:07 AM # Q
Argh. Another. "screen lacks things lack "back arrows"" = "creen lacks things LIKE "back arrows"".

I need to proof better. Or is that bettr?

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This or iPhone?

mikecane @ 1/9/2009 7:16:55 AM # Q
As someone pointed out in another thread here, this OS is now sufficiently different from the Palm OS we have known that there's no longer a reason to go with it.

It'd be like making a leap to an iPhone, except one with a Palm brand name on it and some non-iPhone features (like a keyboard).

Using my LifeDrive this morning, I realized that what I was using No Longer Exists at Palm. I kept wondering how I'd do the things I was doing on both an iPhone and on a Pre. I concluded it'd be nearly the same way on either an iPhone or a Pre - *neither* which would be thoroughly enjoyable to me.

For Calendar, I'm as yet unconvinced that Palm's wOS one would be any better than the upcoming Pocket Informant (is that the name?) for iPhone.

For Memos, I'm still undecided. Contacts is a wash on both platforms. I don't have the web-contacty stuff Palm touts, so that has no meaning for me.

iPhone has the ton of native apps *right now*.

The card multitasking is something Apple could probably add to the iPhone OS. (Right, like Apple would be afraid of a suit from Palm - go see Expose and Spaces, and even MultiFinder, Palm!)

Plus, Apple has its tablet later this year - the iPod Air/iPod Touchbook.

No decision yet. But the scale tips towards iPhone for me at the moment.

RE: This or iPhone?
Rastick @ 1/9/2009 7:33:15 AM # Q
Oh Mike, Mike, Mike.

The iPhone is now sooooo 2007.

RE: This or iPhone?
Solo @ 1/9/2009 7:35:56 AM # Q
Don't forget a thing Mike, you're looking at a Palm phone that will be released in June. Probably the Iphone will be on its 3rd generation in June, with its improvements, bells & whistles... so maybe the the matchup won't be the same.

And being a Palm addict (now Iphone convert) since the beginning, let just say that version 1.0 from Palm was always very buggy... so you'll have to live 3 months with major annoying bugs.

But I love the fact that Jobs got a kick in the butt by Rubenstein, that will crack the whip a bit at Apple, and it's us that reallly gonna be the beneficiary of that. (Do I hear notification coming?)

RE: This or iPhone?
Caspian @ 1/9/2009 7:49:23 AM # Q
I'm asking the same questions. I'm not on ATT, but the iPod touch is more compelling today than it was 24 hours ago.

David
Palm III> Palm IIIx> Palm IIIc> Sony T615> Sony T665> Sony TH55> Palm T|E> Palm T|E2> Palm T|X
RE: This or iPhone?
freakout @ 1/9/2009 8:02:33 AM # Q
It'd be like making a leap to an iPhone, except one with a Palm brand name on it and some non-iPhone features (like a keyboard).

A permanently available physical keyboard introduces OS-wide find-as-you-type for everything. Contacts, apps, web pages, web searches, all but a few button presses away. iPhone's dinky virtual crapboard has got nothing on that.

Not to mention the gesture navigation which makes for what looks like a far superior solution for multi-tasking, as compared to constantly ducking back to the iPhone launcher via their home button.

RE: This or iPhone?
mikecane @ 1/9/2009 8:12:25 AM # Q
>>>The iPhone is now sooooo 2007.

Hahahahahaha.

Physical keyboard doesn't excite me. I've played with the iPhone alot. The virtual keyboard works fine for me. I can make the same numbers of typos with either one!

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