Confirmed: iTunes 9 Breaks webOS Media Sync Again

Apple is more about user experience than choices. Apple is insanely concerned about the right thing that anything that runs code they want under their umbrella. Why Palm is even trying this back end hack that you would expect form a handful of college kids still has my head scratching.

There are plenty of competing music stores that are desperately trying to get some market space so why is Palm trying this at all? Going on and off like this only disenchants the market.

I believe Palm indicated that they had options in the event they couldn't co-opt itunes?

I guess those options fell by the wayside - time for them to develop their own sync solution.

(4) Winamp, Windows Media Player and any other desktop software that supports syncing to USB drives

Where exactly is "that" where you think Apple is heading? The PDA graveyard inhabited by old Garnet handhelds or the portable gaming console market? Just wanting a clarification there (I ASSUME you meant gaming...)

I really am stunned to see Apple not putting a camera on the Touch. They could really make a strong push into the augmented reality gaming field as well as take a nice chunk of the market for those cheap Vado/Flip pocket "camcorders".
Pilot 1000->Pilot 5000->PalmPilot Pro->IIIe->Vx->m505->T|T->T|T2->T|C->T|T3->T|T5->Zodiac 2->TX->Verizon Treo 700P->Verizon Treo 755p->?

Give it time.

what does it say when a fan site like this has one maybe two Pre users?

It says Precentral are doing an amazing job at hogging the traffic. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juso20n0RPQ

an indian was showing it off to a chinaman. go figure.

it looked sweet.

I thinks Google's plan is moving along very well at the moment. And I'm not just trolling when I say that even Apple ought to be "running scared" (to reference your oft used Gates quote).

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

gfunkmagic wrote:
"what does it say when a fan site like this has one maybe two Pre users? and don't blame Sprint."

It says PIC's forums died long time ago....

SeldomVisitor wrote:
Because, except for only 3 posters, the comments are unemotional and unbiased.

Oh please, pretty please, give us the list of those three. ;-)

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

Gekko wrote:

no if it was a truly a great product, everyone here would have switched - regardless of carrier - TMobile excluded.

Gekko:

I think there are some problems with your analysis there.

There were people here, as well as Precentral, who specifically said they'd wait until the Pre came to Verizon, because they didn't like the Sprint network for one reason or another. No phone has the power to overcome a network with that kind of reputation.

By contrast, almost all of the griping you hear about AT&T is from people who switched to AT&T for the iPhone. The lines of people waiting for the 1st-gen iPhone weren't there because they did a measured cost-benefit analysis of the phone and the network. They were fanboys/girls who would buy Steve Jobs' feces if he could figure out a way to slap an Apple logo on it. (I'm not saying the first-gen iPhone was feces. I'm just pointing out that the exuberance over the iPhone was driven by Apple fans and existed despite the fact that all the reviews said that the iPhone wasn't much of a phone.)

Some of that has started to change because of the draconian moves of AT&T & Apple, as people begin to realize that the carrier's attitude towards their network does matter. But the main point is, the only reason that someone would ignore the network a phone is on when considering what phone to buy is either a) it's not a phone to them, or b) they've joined a cult. I think the iPhone benefited from a little bit of both.

So pointing to the iPhone as an example of people buying a phone despite the network isn't really a good example, because those people aren't buying phones. They're essentially buying iPods with 3G connections and monthly carrier bills.

Of course it does; there's no drm on itunes purchased music and only drm on movies and tv shows (due to the content providers).

I can play non-drm'ed files on my psp, pc, or my mac. I don't have to use itunes if I don't want to.

If anything, Apple locking the Pre out of itunes sync process is more likely Apple raising the middle finger to Palm.

Palm should attempt something novel - writing their own sync software.

If anything, Apple locking the Pre out of itunes sync process is more likely Apple raising the middle finger to Palm.

Point. You missed it.

Customers don't care about stupid corporate contests. They just care that their software works, and Apple are deliberately breaking theirs for no other reason than to screw over a much smaller competitor. It is an anti-consumer attitude in effect, even if not in intent.

Blame Palm before you blame Apple. This is stupid on their end if they see it as such a desirable feature. You really can't argue against that.

As a consumer of iTunes - I'm happy with it - breaking pre's faux compatibility or not.

You are entitled to your opinion. Just realize that it's wrong.

lol. I guess we have an agree to disagree situation on our hands.

I don't see why you're determined to see this as Palm simply being lazy, though. They could indeed easily build their own sync solution as others have, but the problem with all of those is that they require iTunes users to install yet another piece of software on their PCs. From a user standpoint, the optimal solution is obviously being able to sync from within iTunes itself, which is perfectly capable of it.

If I were running Palm, I'd be doing exactly what they're doing already. iTunes is clearly one of, if not the most popular desktop music manager. By allowing owners of Palm hardware to directly sync with it they're offering iTunes users a better solution than the one available to owners of other devices. It benefits both Palm and consumers.

Direct iTunes sync fits perfectly with the whole Synergy concept: the user decides what services they want to use to manage their data. Palm are simply enabling them to do so.

You are right: if Palm could emulate iPhone apps and Apple deliberately broke it I'd call shenanigans on that, too - because it would be not only bad for consumers but bad for developers too, who would see their potential market expanded. I would make the same complaint if Microsoft were to deliberately engineer Windows apps to be incompatible with Wine on Linux, or tweak Windows so it no longer worked with Parallels on the Mac.