Faster Versions of Bluetooth Under Development
The Bluetooth Special Interest Group is working on a couple of new versions of the wireless networking standard which will feature faster access. In the near term, the SIG is working on Bluetooth 1.2, which will offer communication rates of 2 Mbps to 3 Mbps. Longer term, it is also working on Bluetooth 2.0, which will have rates of 4, 8 and 12 Mbps. The current version, Bluetooth 1.1, is limited to 1 Mbps. Bluetooth 2.0 may not be available until 2004.
Neither of these versions of the wireless standard will offer more range than the current one, about 10 meters. Bluetooth 2.0 will require about twice as much power. The new chip sets are expected to be about 20% more expensive.
Bluetooth 2.0 will also do away with the master and slave relationship used in the current standard, which causes problems when a master leaves a networked group of devices. In the new one, all devices will be equal.
The new version isn't intended to be a replacement for the current version of Bluetooth.
Jaap Haartsen, a scientist at Ericsson Technology Licensing and the original developer of Bluetooth, revealed this information in speech this week to the Bluetooth Congress meeting in Amsterdam and it was reported in EE Times.
Bluetooth is facing competition from other wireless networking standards, like 802.11, also called Wi-Fi, which has won converts because it already offers a communication rate of up to 10 Mbps and greater range. However, according to Mr. Haartsen, Bluetooth is the best option for small, mobile devices because of its low cost and low power requirements.
Bluetooth was originally developed to be a way for computer peripherals to communicate with each other wirelessly, freeing users from the rat's nest of wires behind their computers. Recently, however, companies have begun to release products that use it for connecting to networks and the Internet.
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RE: low cost ??
RE: low cost ??
RE: low cost ??
I am happy to know that not everyone in this world is as pathetic as you are. If you have IQ enough to understand my point (which I think you don't) an add-on that costs around 35% of the main device's price cannot be considered low cost ($127 for a BT CF at buy.com and $340 for a PPC at buy.com). If the selling point for BT is low cost they better have it for real.
Bluetooth Over Hyped
RE: Bluetooth Over Hyped
How do people do this cost/benefit on these things? $210US so you can read emails and MAYBE surf dumbed down pages??? Plus paying per minute to connect using your phone. Don't you have a desktop at work?
If you really need to get emails wirelessly and do it often than I can see that, but that's not very many people. Which is probably why BT in NA is a wash.
Tell me if I'm way off base here because that just doesn't seem very smart IMO.
That's a ridiculous price.
RE: Bluetooth Over Hyped
And I've done a number of installs for people with BB connections who chose to use those over wireless ethernet cards rather than wired ones. The then have the flexibility to use their desktops and laptops in any room of the house. Further, they don't have to run ethernet to multiple rooms and leave that investment behind when they move. If you already have that investment, it follows that you'd consider adding a 802.11b card to their PDA as well. Would I spend that much on BT instead/as well? Probably not. At least not yet. On the other hand it becomes attractive when more devices come with bluetooth. For example I spent $80Can on a data cable for my cellphone. That cost will have to be repeated if/when I replace my cellphone. I spent another $30 on a data cable for my GPS. If you add that up and perhaps another future device or two, then you've arrived at the cost of a BlueTooth card. If we shift into a future where BT is ubiquitous enough to be included in those cellphones and GPS's as we're starting to see, then I'll end up saving money in the long run because I don't have to keep purchasing new cables (or buy them in the first place). Unlike Palm's non-universal "Universal Connector", BT stands the chance to actually become that UC. OTOH, it also remains to be seen if 802.11b couldn't serve some/all of that in ad-hoc mode. We can already make PDA to PDA connections via 802.11b ad-hoc, there's just not much you can do with it. With PalmSource hinting at improved support for 802.11b in OS5, maybe there'll be something there. For now, 802.11b is the first use I've found for that PalmOS web server app that's been around for ever ;-)
RE: Bluetooth Over Hyped
There is a phrase you left out of this: "in the United States". Over here in Europe Bluetooth is catching on well. There are plenty of Bluetooth phones to choose from and other devices, too.
You Yanks need to catch up.
RE: Bluetooth Over Hyped
If you really need to get emails wirelessly and do it often than I can see that, but that's not very many people. Which is probably why BT in NA is a wash.
Tell me if I'm way off base here because that just doesn't seem very smart IMO."
You're way off base. Your thinking is way too limited. Bluetooth is not just for surfing the web on you palm--although it does that well. It can replace ALL your cables at once. Hotsync, Web/network access, printing, Powerpoint presentations, direct access of documents from desktop, keyboard/mouse and other periferals, and so much more. The possibilities are endless. Bluetooth, fully implemented, would be like buying one cable that connects every electronic device you own--from playing mp3's through your car stereo from your palm to having your refridgerator automatically add "buy milk" to your task list. The future of Bluetooth is exciting, and it has to start somewhere. You just need to widen your vision!
(Self-confessed Palm Geek)
can i still use an exisiting blue tooth device with a new on
when the new phones eventually come out - will i still be able to use it with my existing sick?
RE: can i still use an exisiting blue tooth device with a new on
Bluetooth 1.0 in 2004
...it'll practically be 2004 when Bluetooth 1.0 is actually accessible to the masses!
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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
"Gee... our BT-enabled models weren't going to be ready until mid-2003. Since they've announced the next version to be just a few months later, maybe we ought to wait."
Idiots.
RE: Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
I use a Palm m515, an Apple iBook and an Ericsson T68i. All connect to each other via BT numerous times a day.
Thanks to BT I can connect to the Internet wirelessly, anywhere. Thanks to GPRS, I can even remain online for prolonged periods without having to pay through the nose.
All the money I have invested in this technology is money well-spent (the Apple BT USB dongle by D-Link cost me only US$50, brand new).
All you pundits should experience this wonderful technology before you speak ill of it.
***sent from an iBook via Bluetooth and GPRS***
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
I could not agree more.
My T39m, Palm m500, Wireless head said and PowerBook all happily talk to each other and I can quite happily web browse at ISDN speeds on my Palm or PowerBook.
BlueTooth is only struggling in the US (because of the much lower takeup of mobile phones). Here in Europe and Japan it's a popular and fast growing technology.
Once again it seems like someone needs to point out the US is *NOT* the entire world! Technology like GPRS and BlueTooth is quite happily taking off with you and you'd do well to remeber that.
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
Seems like by the time NA reaches where Japan and Euro are now there'll be better BT devices and faster BT MS available that would begin to trade-off the massive difference between cost and benefit.
PALM OS5 or 6 Devices with a 4Mbps BT... that's what I'm talking about.
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
I think we all agree those of us on this side of the pond are not the "entire world" but you should note that we are a MAJOR part of it.
There is very little BT technology over here and to be honest I can't see it going anywhere at this point with current pricing. BT was also meant to be in printers, scanners, and other simple devices that communicate with PC's, cell phones, etc. The phones just being a small part of the overall plan.
Here we are years later with not much progress in North America. What has BT in Europe/Asia besides cell phones?
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
For a quick overview of what's out there already see:
www.expansys.com/d_bluetooth.asp
Also check the following for camcorders:
http://blueunplugged.com/main.asp?option=productrange&catID=11
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america sucks
RE: Wireless Tech in the US
Apart from Cell Phones: Palms, Win CE devices, printers, laptops, wireless in-ear headsets, video camera's, PCI and PCMICA cards are all avalible from every town's high street in UK (though we in the UK are ahead of most of Europe). Of course Japan is much farther ahead - I have no idea what their take up is like.
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
RE: Bluetooth is real and it works wonderfully
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Obsolete before it even arrived...
RE: Obsolete before it even arrived...
what use is a standard that changes every few years
I dont know all the details and I dont pretend to, but in a few years I could picture the 'operate everything through bluetooth' ideal getting shot in the foot, with different appliances using all kinds of different 'standards' and versions of bluetooth.
"what version is the TV?" "bluetooth 1.2" "damn I have bluetooth 1.3.442.21.1"
RE: Obsolete before it even arrived...
If updating the standard is going to kill Bluetooth, then 802.11 is dead, too. Look for the 802.11g stuff to hit stores soon.
Why, oh why, do people compare Bluetooth and 802.11?
That'd be similar to article titles such as "Firewire in competition with Gigabit Ethernet!"
One is for connecting peripherals and the other is for connecting computers. Admittedlly, peripherals and computers have a rather fuzzy dividing line but still...
RE: Why, oh why, do people compare Bluetooth and 802.11?
Bluetooth works just fine to connect to a network. Check out the PicoBlue Internet Access Point
www.pico.net/products.html
Only purists care that Bluetooth was only supposed to be for keyboards and such. Everyone else has moved on.
Bluetooth on SD??
RE: Bluetooth on SD??
RE: Bluetooth on SD??
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3127
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low cost ??