PalmGear De-emphasizes Freeware (Updated)
Update: Kenny West has confirmed that PalmGear's new policy of de-emphasizing freeware has been reversed. Freeware is once again being listed on PalmGear's home page and on search results. The original article appears below only for discussion purposes.
According to Kenny West, CEO of PalmGear, the site will no longer display free software on the home page within either the New or Updated software listings. In addition, free software will be listed at the bottom of search results, below commercial software.
West said PalmGear was making this change to increase the expose of commercial software and decrease the expose of freeware. These changes will take effect today, August 3.
This was not a PalmGear decision but the result of a vote: PalmGear asked the developers for whom it acts as a reseller in June if they wanted free products to be removed from those pages or not, and the results show that among the 593 replies, 66% voted in favor of freeware "removal".
Of course, PalmGear isn't the only way to find Palm freeware. FreewarePalm is one option and so is PalmOpenSource.com. Handango lists both freeware and commercial software.
PalmGear has been struggling financially for some time and is behind on the payments it is due the developers who list software on its site. The money due from products sold in July has been paid to the developers, but West writes that "At this time we are unable to provide a schedule as the past AP [Accounts Payable] will be paid down from excess funds on a monthly basis".
West indicated that PalmGear is doing everything it can to reduce the costs, including reducing staff and making an agreement with Expansys to ship the products ordered on PalmGear. He hopes that by emphasizing commercial software and decreasing the expose freeware gets, revenues will increase and the site will be able to pay developers the money it owes them.
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Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
I don't think palmgear can boost the sales of the shareware by avoid posting freeware on the web. But I am sure the visiting count of palmgear would drop dramtically. Palmgear will finally lost it's market value.
RE: Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
RE: Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
RE: Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
Reply from Kenny West; PalmGear.com
I think there is some misunderstanding as we DO allow BOTH Free and non free software at our site. The only difference that is being implemented is that free software is not going to be listed on the home page with New or Updated software. No software (free or otherwise) has been removed. Search results still show free software with the only difference being they are now listed at the end of the results pages. Additionally the Advanced Software Search which can be accessed via this link:
http://wwws.palmgear.com/software/asksoftware.cfm
or on the initial page of search results page after entering search criteria in the search criteria entry field at the upper left has the option that has always been there that allows locating Free software via the drop down choice list "Application or Document". Additionally I would like to point out that our only commercial competitor has not only not listed freeware for quite some time they do not list it whatsoever.
In any event we are open to suggestions and want to do what we can to make the site as useful as is possible while maximizing revenues for the software developers whose software is listed.
Regards,
Kenny West
PalmGear.com
http://www.palmgear.com
"The One Stop Source for your Palm Connected Organizer!"
RE: Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
RE: Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
If Palmgear is on the edge of dying it sure didn't help by being stupid. You nailed the last nail into your own coffin, Kenny.
RE: Hey Kenny West, what a stupid decision
I fully recognize PG reversed the decision, but I don't think I'll be getting any more apps from them, freeware or no.
Oy.
Also, " This was not a PalmGear decision but the result of a vote: PalmGear asked the developers for whom it acts as a reseller in June if they wanted free products to be removed from those pages or not, and the results show that among the 593 replies, 66% voted in favor of freeware "removal". "
Rephrase with me: "Other developers are writing free software that does the same thing as your paid software. Should we hide it?" Of course they said yes.
PalmGear still doesn't have a "hires" indicator either.
Ridiculous
Let's remember, palm guys, that even Yahoo has started charging for services (again, you can't afford $29 for full-featured email with 50meg of storage?). The economy is bad and all tech sectors are taking it on the chin. In case you haven't noticed.
RE: Oy.
I think you are missing the point. I used to go to Palmgear everyday, because it was the one place where I could go to find out information about every piece of software available for the Palm (free, or shareware). Occasionally, I would for to the freewarepalm or Handango sites just to see if Palmgear had missed anything. Now, I'll probably start going to Handango and/or Palmspot to see if they carry a complete list.
In the long run, this is going to drive people away, because the value of Palmgear was not specificly that they had freeware or shareware. The value was that they had everything easily accessiible. And now they don't.
What do you want to bet that when they see how much their site traffic goes down, they go back to the old method?
Michael
This is anticompetitive
By doing this PalmGear is going to lose the already shaky credibility that thay have with customers, because they are unneccesarily limiting the options of their customers. Are they removing freeware? No, but they are making it much harder to find on their site. I for one am not impressed.
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It is not very comfortable to have the gift of being amused at one's own absurdity.
-Somerset Maugham-
Yes, "Removing"
People don't look through PalmGear alphabetically ... They look at the New & Updated sections--the very spot that PalmGear is refusing to display it.
RE: Ridiculous
I have written programs in the past and have and will continue to give many of them away for free. Why, it's simple, it builds my reputation as a programmer. If it's good software , people will download it. Than if I am creative I will eventually release an updated and more powerful version for a fee. Stop complaining about the Tech market and do your share and write something better, or people will go with the free stuff.
Just cause you can hide it doesn't mean it isn't there and it wont be found.. gosh.. just look at the warez community.
RE: Oy.
Database programmers?
RE: Database programmers?
HTH...Boone
It's a shame
PalmGear has long been my first stop looking for software. This announcement doesn't surprise me, however. Just this past Thursday (two days before this "announcement" and "change"), I tried searching for some freeware packages, yet the search engine didn't locate them.
I found them right away at another site, however.
All that's left to say at this point is "goodbye" to PalmGear, I suppose.
RE: It's a shame
RE: It's a shame
RE: It's a shame
Handango doesn't even post new or updated products in a timely manner. There are times when I know when a product was updated on Handango, and it took hours for it to show up as so. And by that time, the product wasn't even listed on the front page anymore.
Let's keep in mind that not all the develoers voted to have freeware removed. I think it was to their advantage to have a lot of people coming to the gear site in search of "Whatever", and not just commercial/shareware products.
RE: It's a shame
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The last flailings of a desperate man
Its been a great ride Mr. West, I'm going to miss you.
RE: The last flailings of a desperate man
RE: The last flailings of a desperate man
RE: The last flailings of a desperate man
Not only are you missing the point, which is that PalmGear is attempting to change market factors out of it's control, but this post makes absolutely no sense in the context of the post you are supposedly rebutting. I suggest you stop blindly criticizing and take a look at the reality.
It is indeed true that freeware authors often become shareware authors. By discriminating against those who write today's free applications, PalmGear (who also doesn't seem to pay their developers), is chasing away future clientelle.
Additionally, if a retail product can't compete with a free equivalent, that doesn't mean PalmGear should try to shove the inferior product in your face. Nobody is saying that we are owed free products, and nobody is saying these authors shouldn't be paid. Quite the contrary, we are saying they had better make a competitive (i.e. better that what's available for free) product if they desire to make money. That's capitalism, my friend, and nobody owes these developers anything, so please stop acting like we do.
Any questions?
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Sean
It is not very comfortable to have the gift of being amused at one's own absurdity.
-Somerset Maugham-
RE: The last flailings of a desperate man
I hope BUDD does not code the same way he writes. ;)
RE: The last flailings of a desperate man
RE: The last flailings of a desperate man
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Sean
It is not very comfortable to have the gift of being amused at one's own absurdity.
-Somerset Maugham-
The beginning of the end for PalmGear
Do you really think that supermarkets make a profit on a $1.50 dozen eggs that need to be refrigerated and are perishable? Of course not. People go to get eggs and end up buying other stuff that is high margin.
I have developed a ton of freeware that has been distributed via PalmGear and have no apologies. Software like mine built the name and web traffic that PalmGear is trying so hard to exploit right now.
So, they are going to de-emphasize freeware. You know, sites that feature commercialware are a dime a dozen. They are all over the place. The difference was that people went to PalmGear to find something interesting and most of that is freeware. Now, all they will find is whatever is for sale. Why bother.
PalmGear is over
The whole attraction of PalmGear was that everything was centralized in one place and you could easily keep up to date on the Palm software market.
This is the beginning of the end and it's time for developers to start their own grassroots distribution site. Palm old-timers remember the dozens of Palm software sites over the years that have come and gone and once upon a time, PalmGear was a newcomer too. The community will survive its passing, and it may well be time for a class-action law suit to recoup unpaid developer fees and hasten the end of PalmGear.
RE: The beginning of the end for PalmGear
This is really sad as I love the Palmgear interface and can't stand using Handango. It takes so much longer to find new and updated software at Handango. But if they're the only ones getting new software listings, then we may not have a choice. I hope Palmgear can hang on, but this is another step in the wrong direction.
RE: The beginning of the end for PalmGear
That's why we have WAREZ!
RE: That's why we have WAREZ!
RE: That's why we have WAREZ!
I pay for quality software like Wordsmith.
RE: That's why we have WAREZ!
Just because you can crack a program doesn't mean that you should. There's something called ethics.
You don't like the cost of software? Don't buy it! Or, create something on your own to compete with the existing product at a lower cost. Cracking someone else's software and redistributing it - whether or not it's overpriced - is in direct violation of virtually all software licenses, and you deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
RE: That's why we have WAREZ!
Gosh, Mr. I.M.,
I need a new car, but they are a little expensive. Could you please steal one for me? And my wife wants a new diamond ring. Could you knock off a jewelry store for me?
Oh, it's different if you have to get up from your computer to commit a crime, eh?
//END SARCASM
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