Quickies: Palm Suit, 512 MB SD Cards, Kingdom, MEG, Deep Sleep

Posted By: As Listed Friday, August 16, 2002 8:28:06 AM

A federal court has ruled that Palm Inc. didn't infringe on a patent held by E-Pass Technologies. E-Pass filed suit in February 2000 alleging Palm infringed a 1994 patent and arguing that the company's handhelds were electronic, multifunction cards. The court decided that Palm did not infringe literally or under the broader Doctrine of Equivalents and granted its request for summary judgment. -PR

Lexar Media has started shipments of 256 MB and 512 MB SD cards. These new cards will be available soon at retalers for $200 and $400 respectively. -PR

Kingdom is a new strategy game which is similar to Civilization. It is $15. There is a Yahoo! Group about it, as well. -Jason Oakley

The Mobile Entertainment & Gaming Expo is the first stand-alone American event focusing on entertainment and gaming for handheld devices. This two-day conference and two-day exhibition takes place in Hollywood, California, October 23 and 24. -Larry

Twilight Edge Software has released a public beta of Deep Sleep, which keeps the four app buttons from waking the device. This saves battery life by preventing unwanted wakeups inside a pocket, purse or case. -PR

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Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 8:55:30 AM #
Palm may have won this time, but Xerox still can beat them.

I which Xerox wins and destroys palm. Palm should be dead, Sony rules.


SONY ROCKS!

Fzara2000
University of Puerto Rico
Comp. Eng. Dept.

RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 9:00:54 AM #
You which?.. I think you may mean wish. I suggest a course in correct English before anything else.

Once complete, a course in consequences would be helpful...

It's just a small point... But if Palm loses the lawsuit, they will either have to pay Xerox for graffiti or withdraw it. I see little chance of Palm paying.

That means withdrawing it. That means licensee's won't be able to use Graffiti either, including Sony.

Also, don't forget if Palmsource goes under, SOny loses its OS..

hmmm yes...


RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 9:44:18 AM #
stupid idiot Sony fanatic..I am a owner of three Sonys already - a N710, T615 and a NR....but i am beginning to feel like an ******* cuz I am owning products that are looked up highly by total ignorant idiots.

Anyway the Xerox suit will affect the OS! So it will also affect Sony. Dumb ass

RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit - NOT
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 9:50:31 AM #
Judge Dismisses Xerox Lawsuit Against Palm

By allNetDevices Staff

June 08, 2000

A U.S. district court judge has dismissed a patent infringement suit brought against Palm, Inc. (Nasdaq:PALM) that had claimed Palm’s Graffiti handwriting recognition software infringed a Xerox patent.

RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 10:00:43 AM #
Court Rejects Xerox Motion Against Palm for Injunction, Damages Trial

SANTA CLARA, Calif., Feb. 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
Palm, Inc. (Nasdaq: PALM) today announced that the U.S. District Court in Rochester, N.Y., rejected a recent motion made by Xerox Corporation related to a claim of patent infringement. The court refused to halt the sale of Palm
Powered(TM) handhelds in the United States and, further, rejected Xerox' effort to set a trial date to determine damages Xerox claims it is owed.
Calling the latter motion "premature," the court noted that Palm's appeal of the decision is still pending. The court actions occurred late Friday, Feb. 22.

RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit -- YES
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 10:01:50 AM #
The federal appeals court in California reinstated the Xerox lawsuit after the district court dismissed the claims. The case is now back before the district court. Anything could happen at this point.

JBH

RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
Ed @ 8/16/2002 10:06:47 AM #
Correct, the lawsuit was reinstated in October of last year. You can read more about it here:
www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=2418

p.s. Please don't post the entire text of copyrighted articles. It is illegal and I have to spend time removing them. An applicable quote from the article plus a link is the preferred way. Thanks!

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RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 11:28:51 AM #
You may wish to take some of the money you plan to spend on the next Sony product and look into an english languange class. WHICH I WISH you would take.
RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 11:46:30 AM #

>WHICH I WISH you would take.

Fragment! ;-)

RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit (TROLL)
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 1:52:53 PM #
Guys this person is a troll, just ignore his idiotic comments and move on
RE: Still Palm has the Xerox lawsuit
useybird @ 8/17/2002 12:19:20 PM #
I haven't seen a single Xerox copier with Grafitti on it. Which model has it?

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Kingdom

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 9:04:41 AM #
You can download a shareware version of Kingdom from the Grogsoft website, or purchase the game from PalmGear:
www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=43693

Quick 512 mb SD card question

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 9:35:44 AM #
The m500 and 505 could use up to a 128 mb SD card (with OS 4.0).

With the OS 4.1 models (and upgraded m500s and 505s) they can access up to a 256mb card.

Now, does anyone know if OS 4.1 automatically can handle these new larger cards? If not, does anyone know if this will be corrected in OS 5?

What is the largest size that SD can handle? Reports I've read are conflicting-many say 512 mb, some say up to 1/2 gigs.

I have a Panasonic digicam that uses SD and I am looking to buy a very large memory card, so this is an important issue currently.

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 10:13:35 AM #
I believe there's no limit on the size of the SD-card.
The have there own controller.
When the 505 came out, it was mentioned on the Palm site that it could be expanded with a 64 Mb SD-card. I think because that was the largest availlable that time. In my uneducated opinion the Palm will take any size SD-card availlable. There has been a problem with the 128 Mb card from Sandisk, which was a defect of that card itself.
RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 10:36:35 AM #
I have a m515 and I just started using a 128 mb card. My experience - horrible. The palm WILL NOT be able to format it. This means - need a writer for the card ( $ 49.99). Once formatted by the writer - one may use it in the device - and read and write to it.

Question - would the 512 have the same problem - I would suspect so.
Lets see -:)

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 12:00:10 PM #
"What is the largest size that SD can handle? Reports I've read are conflicting-many say 512 mb, some say up to 1/2 gigs. "

Uhh, 512mb IS 1/2gig. Those reports aren't conflicting, they are saying exactly the same thing.

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 2:40:23 PM #
2GB is the max typically mentioned by the SD Card Association, but I've also seen it implied that it could go higher than that.
RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
Altema @ 8/16/2002 3:41:23 PM #
"I have a m515 and I just started using a 128 mb card. My experience - horrible. The palm WILL NOT be able to format it."

If your m515 will not format your SD card (128mb or whatever), your individual m515 has a problem and you should contact Palm Support. They will ask you to perform A: Soft reset. B: Hard reset. C: Install FatFS.prc and try to reformat the card.

The soft reset is harmless and probably won't fix it. The hard reset will erase all data on your Palm, and you will need to restore the Palm 3rd party software and your personal data. This has a 40% chance of fixing the problem if you have not done it already. If the card reformat still does not work, they may have you download and install FatFS.prc, which was designed for the m500 and m505, but won't hurt your m515 even if not needed. If none of the above work, they may recommend that you send your device in for replacement. If you cannot be without your Palm, they can send you an "Advance Exchange" for $25. This means you get the replacement first, then ship your defective handheld back in the envelope packaged with the replacement unit.

BACKING UP YOUR CARD

Note: The following assumes your are familiar with copying files in Microsoft Windows Explorer.

Since you have a card reader now, you can backup the card to your pc because Palm will have you try a couple things before they replace the device. To backup the card on a Windows device, simply create a folder called "SD128Backup" or something recognizable to copy the card files into, using Windows Explorer (NOT Internet Explorer). After this folder is created, find your card (after inserting it in the card reader of course) which should appear as a removable drive in the left pane, and single click on that drive to select it and display it's contents in the right pane. Click on any file in the right pane, then hold down "Ctrl" and press the "A" key. This will select all the files on your SD card. Now, move the mouse pointer to the highlighted files in the right pane, then hold down the left mouse button and drag the files to the "SD128Backup" folder you created earlier.

When done, you will have a complete backup of your SD card, so that it can be restored if Palm has you attempt to format the card again.

To restore the card after reformatting, bring up Windows Explorer, left click once on the "SD128Backup" folder, then left click once on any file in the right pane, then hold down "Ctrl" and press the "A" key. After this, move the mouse pointer to the highlighted files in the right pane, then hold down the left mouse button and drag the files to the card.

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 3:54:08 PM #
No,no,no, I meant I have read a handfull of reports that said max capacity is 512 mb, and a few that said max realistic capacity is 1 gig and a few more (more recent) that said it was 2 gigs ((like on the SD association's website and in press media)).

I was trying to say , essentially, "...1 or 2 gigs..."

Sorry for the confusion! I just wanted to know that if i put down the big $$ for a big card, that my (unflashed to OS 4.1--not worth the risk) m505 and Panasonic SD cam can both handle the card.

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
Ed @ 8/16/2002 4:34:43 PM #
I've sent some email to my contact at PalmSource asking if there is anything in the operating system to limit how large an SD card can be addressed. Hopefully, we'll get a definitive answer.

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RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
higgy @ 8/16/2002 4:45:32 PM #
I have a 128 Meg SD card in my 515 and no problems with either. My life is a different story.

Higgy

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 4:55:53 PM #
Well - I spoke with the palm support extensively - and they assured me that there was nothing wrong with the 515. I even went to a store - bought one - just to make sure it was not the palm - and still the same - the 128 would not be formatted.
To all users who use their 128 mb card - have you ever Formatted the card using the palm? and if so - what brand card are you using - please let me know - I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks...
navomaal
FYI: Problems with 128MB SD card
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 5:50:26 PM #
I too have been unable to format my Sandisk 128MB SD card. I use a Treo 90. Handspring's support web site explains why this is; essentially it's a problem with the card itself. Solution is to format using a card reader (worked for me).

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J14A45A81

FYI: Problems with 128MB SD card
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 7:51:39 PM #
A better solution than having to buy an external SD card reader to format your 128MB SanDisk SD memory card is to have SanDisk replace the SD card instead.

As someone posted above, there was a batch of non-Palm compatible 128MB SD cards that SanDisk released before March or April 2002. The newer ones that were updated by SanDisk work fine.

I no longer have any problems formatting my 128MB SanDisk SD Card using my Palm m515.

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 8:21:16 PM #
Don't buy a SD card reader. Go to a local electronics store and put the problem SD in a camera or other SD card reader and see if it can format the card. If you try everything there, you might find one that can format it. If wastes some time but could save you some money.
RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
Altema @ 8/17/2002 2:03:36 AM #
My 128Mb card formats fine, but mine is a Toshiba, so that does not help you much. You mentioned you bought another one... do you mean card, or m515?

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/17/2002 11:41:24 AM #
I just upgraded my m515 from a 64mb SD to a 128mb SD card. What a long and trying experience! I use a card reader (from Sandisk) and had backed everything on the 64 card to my PC. The 515 would not format the card (or at least was taking too long, 30 minutes and still not done), so I formatted it in the card reader (few seconds). When I went to copy files from my PC SD backup folder to the new card all I got was gibberish (folders with names like AE!@{{{ instead of Launcher, Programs , etc. I gave each card the same name so that I would not have to reload all my prc's to recognize it. In the end I reformatted the 128 and manually reloaded all my card files (what a pain in the you know where!) Now it seems to work fine except my BackupBuddy gets an error when trying to back up the card and stops.
RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/18/2002 12:02:58 AM #
I retract my last statement just above. Now my new 128mb SD card is screwing up. After 24 hours of no problems and no changes I can now no longer access my Skyscape medical files from the card, Splashphoto is screwed up and Pocket Radiologist can not be accessed. I can still get to my card iSilo files and Wordsmith files but that is about it. Back to the 64mb card I guess.
RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/19/2002 6:16:25 PM #
I actually got the new palm - m515 to test it out. Furthermore, since I had gotten this card from dell - I was able to get 4 replacements and all of the 128 MB cards DID NOT format. As mentioned above, once formatted using the reader, they were fine - I could read and write to it using my palm....however - I could not format it.

To the person whose 128 card is working fine in the 515 - have you tried formatting your card using your palm?

Thanks for the help guys...

RE: Quick 512 mb SD card question
TheHitchhiker @ 1/13/2003 7:57:40 AM #
Anyone already re-tried formatting the card after installing the Palm provided patch (filemanager_enUS or alike)?

..and granted its request for summary judgment

I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 10:10:34 AM #
what does "summary judgment" mean? =)
RE: ..and granted its request for summary judgment
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/16/2002 10:30:44 AM #
In non-legalese, the court essentially said the plaintiff (E-Pass) did not have enough facts supporting their position for the case to even make it to trial for debate and/or final disposition.

Cheap Guy

RE: ..and granted its request for summary judgment
LarryGarfield @ 8/16/2002 11:24:14 AM #
In common English, I believe the phrase is "the case was thrown out", as in, the judge looked at it, laughed, and threw the folder containing the paperwork into the garbage can. ;-)

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RE: ..and granted its request for summary judgment
mkb @ 8/16/2002 1:01:52 PM #
Summary judgment does not mean the case was "thrown out". That would be when the court grants a motion to dismiss. Granting summary judgment means that the Judge made a decision in the case after reviewing all of the evidence and documents, and decided that one party was entitled to win as a matter of law (meaning there were no facts that needed to be heard by a jury).

What about Memory Sticks?

UZI4U182 @ 8/17/2002 2:49:42 PM #
Yeah sure....chunky Sd carads coming out...but where are the 256MB and 512MB memory sticks?

--Devan--

www.tavern.2ya.com

Floppy Disks

PIC mobile user @ 8/18/2002 4:19:16 PM #
very good. the new sd card is better than 400 flexible disks
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