webOS Update v1.0.3 Now Available

for some classic is still working, for others it is not
can't comment personally as i haven't DLed classic yet

Quote: "Or Palm needs to do a better job of testing these updates to ensure they are as bulletproof as is possible."

Ha, ha, there is no better way to test an update than to release it to the public.Forcing everyone to be a guinea pig will discover bugs very quickly. Soon as more programs are released there will be more and more conflicts. To have updates as optional will force programmers to take into consideration Pre without updates. I guess I retract my hate for forced updates.

"* really I'm just grumpy since in Canada we can't get Pre's :)"

way to get all bent out of shape without even owning one, what an assclown
Who needs expensive gadgets, give me a pencil and some post-its. Added benefit, perfect handwriting recognition.

^^LOL

Hey Palm! Where's my PDA with Wifi and phone capabilities?

padopaper - yes, some of us are loooong time loyal palm developers who really want to get into things. No SDK is one thing, people getting in to possibly make a mess with hacked up made up SDK is another, and no access to devices is a third. ie: First mover is a huge advantage in mobile, but since only USians wil get that option, it pretty much locks a lot of us out, especially when we've got other platforms :/ (Maybe the SDK delay will in part help that, but I worry about a stack of hacks people apply against the built in .js apps, and potentially cause problems... unless it can be all coordinated like HackMaster in days of old, etc.)

Anyway yes - forced updates sounds like a design flaw to me, and I don't need a device to rant about it; but not having a device is a huge concern to quite a few people, including USians who want our apps and fill our mailboxes every day :)

Don't just assume everyone are idiots; sometimes our posts have merit! :)

jeff
The Shadow knows!

I was expecting to be irritated by that article-I assumed it would be another "why so long for copy and paste" rant-but actually I agreeenyirely with it. 3.0 is mostly refinements, but here the little changes add up to something quite new. The iPhone really is starting to feel like a furnished, well-thought out, really well-designed house all the way through. There Are so many great little details and polished interfaces in this update. And it was free!

You lot act as if I hate the iPhone or something. Typical ignoramuses who don't get out and about on the Net - nor out and about in real life either, I'm sure.

Insert "iPhone" for "onetimes." Curse these uneditable comments.

vetdoc - very funny - we should see Pre 1.0 by the time iphone 2.0 is complete.

Mike, I don't believe you hate the iphone - just that you're a pompous asshole. Sorry for the confusion :)

in other news Palm sold one million pre's this weekend!

oh wait...those were iPhones!

Companies tend to be extremely secretive about their numbers until they hit a milestone. Remember the G1? It must have taken it nine months until they finally declared one million units sold. Even the Blackberry Storm beat that.

We'll see when Palm declares their first million sold. I would expect no later than the completion of the second month. Any longer, and it's safe to assume the Pre launch didn't go so well. Honestly, I think sales will really pick up in January when it hits Verizon and it opens up to the other 99% of the population.

Meanwhile, I'm still chugging along on my iPhone 3G. I didn't qualify for a discount on the 3GS, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $500 for a compass. As soon as the TomTom kit, MMS, and tethering are officially available, I'll be pretty much set. The article you posted did a good job explaining the feeling of the iPhone platform as a whole. It definitely has come together in 3.0, and I have a feeling the fourth generation hardware is really going to try something radical.

-Bosco
m105 -> NX70v -> NX80v -> iPhone -> iPhone 3G

I would expect the sales numbers announced on the 25th to be around 250k - going by the first weeks sales numbers.

anything less will be disappointing.

> ...alleged...

There is a recent comment thread elsewhere around that suggests "alleged" has become fact. The poster has been around a long time, has a history of Palm-oriented posts, and, IMHO, is a reliable source.

it's fun to torment u guys :)

we should see a million sold - not shipped - by October.

Ruby is a hardware guy - you'd think with his experience they could have minimized the production issues.

No hard facts, of course - this is Palm were talking about.

But here's a probably non-lying comment containing strong single-datapoint anecdotal evidence:

- http://www.palminfocenter.com/comments/9842/#152738

And the one after that, apparently Brit, mentioning that 30% number - I wouldn't believe it without further proof but I'd remember it:

And there's the VERY STRONG anecdotal evidence of the fanboy site TreoCentral's forum poll that's showing something like a 40% return rate:

http://discussion.treocentral.com/palm-pre/188002-how-many-times-have-you-exchanged-your-pres.html

That one's similar to an ancient poll there about the Treo 600 or something which, over time, was shown to (minimally) reflect actually Treo 600 results.

Eventually, as with courtroom circumstantial evidence, one has to say "well, yeah, it's lookin' like it's fact, alrightee!"

Do you realize how false a "Device B does it, too!" argument is?

nastebu:

People who come to sites like this flip out over a stuck pixel or things like "if I'm upside down in the closet and it's completely dark and I turn the phone on and put it on it's front a clearly visible line of light leaks out around the volume switch. Company X's quality sucks! I'm returning this for the fifth time."

THIS. Absolutely, this.

I'd believe that the Pre hardware has issues, but I'd never trust that it's as bad as Internet forums make it out to be. The Internet is a swirling cesspool of bitterness and bile.

>>>pay $500 for a compass

You forget the higher-quality camera, which is very, very nice. Kicks the hell out of the Pre camera. (I don't know wtf is the problem with the Pre camera. Is it cheap components or bad imaging software?)

BTW, I did a test video I did with the iPhone 3GS: I mailed it to myself, so it's not the full 3MP. It needs QuickTime for proper portrait orientation (vlc rotates it 90 degrees!). Right now the link isn't working, so I'll have to reupload it and plop the link in here next time I stop by.

You can see three test stills here:
http://twitpic.com/7tmer
http://twitpic.com/7tmht
http://twitpic.com/7tmo0

Just quick points and clicks. I did use the square for focusing.