Apple Breaks webOS iTunes Sync, Again

Time to give it up.

I don't know - perhaps the fact that Palm is still chasing after itunes compatibility after all of this time - and this is making Palm look bad?

Tim seems convinced that Palm is going to win this. If that's true, maybe it is worth it to Palm to get the battle over with now. But it seems like a very poor business model to be relying on a kludgy hack that Apple is going to break at every opportunity for a selling point on your phone.

Darth, that's about as well said as I have read. Keep it up Palm, the walls will continue to fall in the future. Including your own ... :-o
Pat Horne

I suppose you'd advocate Microsoft locking Apple out of Windows, so Apple can't bootstrap on their hard work. Or Google disallowing third-party contacts sync.

Must this argument be had again?

Funny that you bitch about openness but I am sure you use closed software. (Windows? OS X? WebOS? Linux with Flash? Or maybe NVidia drivers? How about ATI drivers?) Educate yourself a bit.

Gekko wrote:

iPhones Sold = ~30,000,000

Pres Sold = ~300,000

Number of iPhone Customers who will switch to Pre because of iTunes = 0

Speaking as an iPod owner who happened to appreciate the Pre's compatibility with iTunes, I say bull****. The point is that I'm just as much an Apple customer as any iPhone user. I own two Mac Minis and two iPods. But I have never owned an iPhone and Apple's behavior makes me at just a little bit less likely to ever own one. So Apple's behavior does have consequences for me. True, I'm just an ordinary guy who probably looks more like John Hodgeman than Justin Long but then a guy who decided to stop buying GM cars back in 1980 was just one guy back then too and now he's one more reason why GM went bankrupt.

I bought my Mac Minis because they are small, easy to manage, and integrate easily into my existing network and talk to my Windows file server and laptops. Now I see Apple for the first time since I started using their products deliberately making their products harder for me to use. If Apple is as big a pain in the ass as Windows, what good is it?
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abosco wrote:
GM's failure has less to do with sales and more to do with expenses. It's a misconception that people stopped buying their cars.

I'm not sure you can compartmentalize like that. Keeping sales in line with expenses is part of the challenge

As to the main point of the thread:

Palm understands that people don't switch to the Pre because of iTunes syncing. But they understand (as Apple does) that the inability to sync with iTunes may dissuade some iTunes users from switching to the Pre. They're going after the market of people with iPods, rather than iPhones. There's a certain set of people who think to themselves, "I like the things Pre does, but the iPhone can sync with iTunes." It's not a zero sum game, where Palm has to steal iPhone users. There are still plenty of cell phone users, believe it or not, who don't have iPhones.

"Everyone knew Detroit's reputation for insular, slow-moving cultures. Even by that low standard, I was shocked by the stunningly poor management that we found, particularly at GM, where we encountered, among other things, perhaps the weakest finance operation any of us had ever seen in a major company.

For example, under the previous administration's loan agreements, Treasury was to approve every GM transaction of more than $100 million that was outside of the normal course. From my first day at Treasury, PowerPoint decks would arrive from GM (we quickly concluded that no decision seemed to be made at GM without one) requesting approvals. We were appalled by the absence of sound analysis provided to justify these expenditures.

The cultural deficiencies were equally stunning. At GM's Renaissance Center headquarters, the top brass were sequestered on the uppermost floor, behind locked and guarded glass doors. Executives housed on that floor had elevator cards that allowed them to descend to their private garage without stopping at any of the intervening floors (no mixing with the drones).

In my relatively few interactions with chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner, I found him to be likable, dedicated, and generally knowledgeable. But Rick set a tone of "friendly arrogance" that seemed to permeate the organization."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/21/autos/auto_bailout_rattner_excerpt.fortune/?postversion=2009102109

jca666us wrote:
amazing - a day after iTunes locks out the pre - palms stock drops nearly 13%

investors are losing confidence in palm - about time.

The Pre's stock price probably has little to do with the lock-out. The day before Apple locked the Pre out of iTunes, Palm's stock also dropped. It's been a bad week for tech stocks generally, and Palm's not immune to that.

Obviously, it's been a bad month for Palm. We'll see how November goes with the release of the Pixi and the new OS update.

>The Pre's stock price probably has little to do with the lock-out.

Still, it's a contributing factor.

As is the excitement over droid - and the impact that will have on Pre sales.

Also, the (expected) lukewarm reception to the Pixi

Lastly Sprint's loss - which underscores how little the Pre did for Sprint.

Investors are beginning to wake up - hence the dramatic drop in Palm's stock price.

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