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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Update on the Palm Gameboy Emulator: GambitPosted By: Ryan on Monday, August 30, 1999 12:00:00 AM
So you want to play gameboy games on your PalmPilot? That may be a reality soon.
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I.M. Anonymous @ 8/29/1999 11:31:20 PM #
Will the Gameboy emulator support the IR port? This would be so handy to transfer a pic from the Gameboy camera into the Palm, from there it could be emailed sent to other Palms and hotsynced to the PC. RE: Palm Gamboy - IR supportI.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 3:41:59 PM #
Not to mention multi-player functionality ahh...4-person F1-race championship during boring meetings RE: Palm Gamboy - IR supportGuillaume Ross @ 9/28/1999 4:29:10 PM #
Can you just tell HOW you would make 4 Palms communicate together, by IR? It's...kinda...hard! Hmm,a beta test?I.M. Anonymous @ 10/9/1999 1:30:20 AM #
Ok-hi guys.My name is kevin.Yeah,maven here knows me pretty well cos I have been doing beta testing for this emualtor.I am not trying to boast.there are still a couple of bugs to be ironed out.Unfortunately,you cant play zelda on it yet.just relax.i know maven said he would have a beta in march and even during these whole 7months,i kept in touch with him once a week.he told how busy he was with his job and he had his first baby.would you spend time with your family or your computer??think about that!family is way more important.btw,only 4 people have the emu.me,and three other guys.i will not mention names nor will i leave email addresses.i have had enough people bugging me to give them my copy in the promise that they wouldnt give it out.sorry,no can do.right now,maven is having some discusiions about the visor and um...ill leave you to think about what and what might not come out.im sure you guys might want to contact me to see if im real,i can provide loads of palm screenshots,but no emu-thats the deal i had with maven.right now,he cant release the emu yet because nintendo is getting on everyone about emus.imagine,the palm is a portable device and it can play gb games.that would give gameboy a run for its money.all the issues have to be settled first.just wait...here's my email before i forget(kevin_mohinani@hotmail.com)pleas email me if you need to know anything about the emu(not that you cant ask maven,but dont bother him,let him work on the emu)please dont bug me for anything cos you wont get it:P ok?if you need to know something,maybe you can letme know? regards to all, Gambit is a HoaxI.M. Anonymous @ 4/17/2000 2:10:59 PM #
I've seen the emulator and it's a joke. A message below says it's ok, but slow. The author claims they got it from a warez group. This is obviously an attempt to stir up hype. I downloaded gambit and will tell you that it's so slow it appears it's locked up. Given 5 minutes time, the intro screen has only scrolled about an inch. My guess is the author is emulating the sound processes even though it doesn't play sound. Can't think of any other reason for this. And for posting that message to get hopes up? I'll leave that to the public to decide. Everyone, ask yourselves why a demo hasn't been released or you can't find it anywhere, even on most warez sites? Because it would be embarassing to release a demo and no one gives 2 s**ts about busted software to carry it. You suck. :P RE: Gambit is a HoaxI.M. Anonymous @ 4/28/2000 1:43:27 PM #
I figured out your problem. You're running the OTHER GB emulator out there. It comes with the scrolling 'world' over stars. Yes, it's WAY to slow to ever work. The warez Gambit plays Tetris - and it's PLAYABLE. Especially if you run one of the overclocking utilities.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 12:14:09 AM #
At least the programmer of the Wolfenstein 3D project for the Palm released some screen shots to show its not vapor! RE: Screen shots are up now
The Screens are up now. I got them a short while after I posted the news.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 12:17:30 AM #
Can't wait to try a beta :). Will there be any sound support? Just curious, I'd turn it off anyway. RE: Sound?Aaron Ardiri @ 8/30/1999 10:47:03 AM #
how about overclocking the palm when running the emulator? i have some code to do this :> RE: Sound?EuroThrash5000 @ 1/17/2000 4:47:09 PM #
Screw faster palms, what about Handsprings? Arent they faster? More memory? They'd be perfect!
RE: Sound?I.M. Anonymous @ 7/5/2000 2:04:53 AM #
I obtained a leaked beta, and I run it on my handspring visor deluxe... It flies... Easily as fast as the real gameboy if not faster... With or without overclocking utils, its still fast.
RE: NameI.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 12:44:48 AM #
3Com said he couldn't name it PalmBoy because of copyright infringment. You can't have "Palm" in the name. RE: NameAaron Ardiri @ 8/30/1999 10:41:36 AM #
how about: PälmBöy :> use the 'accented' characters from the scandanavian languages.. in many english speaking countries they actually look like the normal 'a' and 'o' :> has 3com protected the use of 'Pälm'? :> RE: Name
You couldn't imagine how silly PälmBöy sounds in Swedish. Imagine inspector Closeu from the PinkPanther movies and then ad some swedish to that and youre getting close to what i sounds like.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 12:47:15 AM #
Worms and Nemesis. If you only are going to get 2 games to work, look no further. RE: I have two words...Xak (xak@mail.com) @ 7/4/2000 10:47:58 AM #
WORMS??!?! AS IN WORMS ARMAGEDDON!?!?!? I AM A W:A FREAK!!!!!
But anyway Worms on the GameBoy sucks... Why would you want it emulated on the Palm? N.B. All ROMs should work, when the final version of Gambit (or any other emulator) is released. Possibly we could get someone to write a .gb|.pdb converter? For purely educational purposes, of course.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 12:56:26 AM #
I have some questions.... 1. Will Gambit run on older palm units (palm III, palm prof.)? 2. Will Gambit be freeware? 3. How many Kilobytes is gambit now? 4. After the rom is converted, does it change in size? RE: unclear points
1. Should 2. you have to buy the ROMs of course 3. under 30k for the emulator + ROM (32k on Tetris) Also requires ~64k working RAM 4. Not really (a few bytes) RE: unclear pointsAaron Ardiri @ 8/30/1999 10:43:40 AM #
you never answered question #2 :>
RE: unclear points
1. Will you be able to carry more than one rom and select from a list ( I have 8megs so storage is not a problem )?
2. I have quite a few roms and a orignal gameboy, have you tried any other games? I think it can be done maven, assembly is not easy and if you have gotten this far sound and large roms are possible. I was confused if gambit was only being designed for the newer palm processors, I figured I would use Eco-hack for speed enhancement. I don't want to press you, but can you give a rough estimate on a beta release? keep up the good work, you are pushing the palm farther than anyone thought. Hi...Aaron Ardiri
Nice interview with Maven. I'm a tad skeptical about this whole deal. In the interview he has stated that he will release the beta when Tetris is fully playable, and has said that this will take "a week or so". That was March 31st 1999 (at time of publishing, god only knows when you actually interviewed the guy). Today is August 30th. Do the math. RE: You Guys are LATE
No problem. I understand, but then again, I have a full-time job, and a new baby (our first!) As I said in the e-mail, I didn't touch the project for almost 6 months, despite my best intentions. Better late than never? -- which reminds me of a joke... oh well, I'll tell you later :-) RE: You Guys are LATEAaron Ardiri @ 8/30/1999 10:49:06 AM #
Maven: need some help? i wrote ports of LodeRunner and Game&Watch classics (Donkie Kong Jr, Parashoot, Octopus and Fire!). i own a GameBoy, have have numerous roms RE: You Guys are LATEI.M. Anonymous @ 9/27/1999 5:32:04 PM #
If Aaron would help he would probably convince Maven to make it shareware, as he seems to be a greedy little fucker, since all of his games are shareware... RE: You Guys are LATEGuillaume Ross @ 9/28/1999 4:06:42 PM #
Hey man! You call someone a fucker because he charges a couple of bucks for excellent games? Beside, would you work months on a project, when you have a full-time job, and then give it away? I really think Gambit should be shareware. I'd buy it for 20$ after testing it to see if it works well. RE: You Guys are LATEAaron Ardiri @ 9/29/1999 11:35:37 PM #
Guillaume Ross: thankyou.. some people just have some real nerve! if i help Maven - i would have no intentions to make the software shareware, thats his choice.. in order to make it shareware he needs to ensure that more than one ROM is supported :> as for your "comment" on charging (Mr Anonymous - thats even more lame) - what is $5? did you care to realize that my latest game, Phire! was released as postcard ware? Two other ports existed, so.. to prevent any conflict with sales.. i released mine for free - but you just had to send me a postcard.. what is so greedy about that? the Phire! implementation is probably close to the original than Fire! or Fire Escape will ever be.. The better program.. but FREE? you do the math. Then figure out who is greedy.
I.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 7:49:12 AM #
Yesterday the update article said he was talking to a company that can't be named (but wasn't Palm Computing). Now that part is gone. Hmmmm... If it is hard enough to get it to run at full GB speed with only tetris, how in the world will it be able to run the other games that actually do something? The Palm isn't a desktop computer with megs of memory and lots of HD space. It is very limited in terms of memory and available space. If you ask me, the speed of the processor isn't the problem, it's the memory available. There are GB emulators for winCE machines because at least they have a decent amount of memory, but the Palm .pdb format has a record size limit of 64k, so any rom images that are usually 300k or more will have to be split up into 64k chunks. Good luck trying to program the emulator to jump all over between the different records. As the original article stated, the general rule is you need at least 3x the original processor speed. Because of the tight memory conditions on the Palm, even 4x won't be enough. But hey, it can run tetris! :) RE: Some points to ponderI.M. Anonymous @ 8/30/1999 8:26:36 AM #
Give the guy a chance! At least he's actually trying something! RE: Some points to ponder
Believe it or not, the equivalent of "Record size" in the Gameboy (the ROM page size) is only 32kb, so I'd actually split larger ROMs into 32kb records anyway. No problem there.
I haven't written the paging code yet, but the time shouldn't be any greater than in the real Gameboy. After doing this emulator, I must say I'm REAL skeptical about the 3x rule. Of course, you can't get a GB emulator for the PC that runs on less than a 33MHz 386, and that's for a hihgly-optimized one. (So that works out to 8x?) Memory doesn't matter too much, unless you are talking the larger ROMs.
I want to thank all of you for your comments... but I gotta ask- Why so anonymous? Just curious. :-) Anyway, I'm not going to hold the negative comments against you. I'd be just as skeptical as some of you are. I'll be glad to continue to answer any questions here that I can. Have a great day! RE: Thanks for the inputronaks@umich.edu @ 8/30/1999 1:27:48 PM #
Maven, Appreciate the fine work that you're doing with this. I think the general sentiment is that the community in general is fairly skeptical of the possibility of this really happening. How close is Tetris to running at full speed? What kind of time frame are we talking about before a beta is released? ... If you ever need a tester.. =) Ronak
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