Comments on: Rumor: Next Generation Treo Details and Picture

Well, that and a price I could afford. ;-)

-Kevin Crossman, Palm Powered Software Champion

1) They knew this one was on the way;

2) They just overly conservative and wait years to release what everyone else already has;

Here's hoping it's reason #1 as Verizon's the only decent network out there (Sprint's a close second) in terms of coverage and performance. If it is reason #2, that means they'll be releasing the 610 2 years after it's been released.

One last thought: the 610 would have to be EV-DO and EMTS compatible right? 'Twould be a collasal screwup on Palm's part if it isn't.

Thanks for pointing out that hallmark of flawed design: the antenna.

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Forty Six and 2 are just ahead of me

well, he wanted to show that modern phones don't have antenna and still get great reception.

I'm with him. antenna is obsolete. even MDA2/XDA2 don't have an antenna!

btw nokia phones that were introduced in europe 3 weeks ago can beat treo anytime.

they have 1mpix camera, bluetooth, can read native pdf files, have quickoffice, have 3G(UMTS/WCDMA) & EDGE support. something treo is lacking

and well they are smaller and ligher (around 120g). have FM-tuner & HW radio.

Other RF choices will not offer an external antenna as its interactive purpose is not the same. However, will interact with all including those with antennas.

BT is a good interactive ear that listens well.

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You need go back to check PalmSource News.

Or how 'bout "fart 'n fly." Now that might impress the like.

P.S. It doesn't make sense for PalmOne to have some Treo models with Garnet and some with Cobalt.

People expect every Treo in a family to act the same, but have different physical features. More RAM, faster processor, built-in Bluetooth, built-in camera or lack thereof etc.

Having a family of Treos, some with Cobalt, and some with Garnet, makes about as much sense as having a series of Tungstens with OS 5, but some with OS 4. (OK, the Tungsten W aside.)

Good move, Palm. Also, isn't it funny how the Treo sync/charge connector is staying put and not being replaced by flimsy AC/mini USB cords? At least PalmOne won't screw that connectivity "standard" up! (though I do feel the Treo connector in its current form is a touch big for by "cell phone" standards)

That's only the single biggest selling one *today*. And recall we've already had Treo's across two OS flavors OS4 (up to the Treo 300) and OS5 for the Treo600.

"P.S. It doesn't make sense for PalmOne to have some Treo models with Garnet and some with Cobalt."

Sure it does. The same way it does to have a Tungsten C or T3 on one end, and a Zire 21 on the other. The basic OS experience is the same, but the actual OS is considerably different.

"An OS is not something that you can swap in or out of your PDAs at will."

As one who's done licensee beta testing, I would beg to differ. All Palm OS flavors are very tailored for devices any way. Assuming the OS was targeted for the specific device running OS5 or 6, is as simple as it was running OS2,3 or 4 on dragonball units.

"People expect every Treo in a family to act the same". To an extent that was the case with OS4 Treo's and OS5 Treo's, but there are also plenty of evolved changes. That will continue.

For the rest of the naysayers, get used to it. It's been made very clear to developers. They they want to get down to a particular pricepoint to drive sales, and that can be done with Garnet. However Cobalt will remain on the higher end, and as it was pointed out, it's even MORE suited to smartphones than garnet with it's abilities of locking down a device in terms of what software and drivers can be installed and how they may or may not interact. These are features cellular carriers are demanding (much as I loathe the entire concept). Carriers want Cobalt lockdown ability, and consumers want what will be Garnet pricepoint. PalmSource and licensees are going to give out both.

Step #1 Place a new piece of bubble gum in mouth and begin chewing.

Step #2 Lay Treo 6xx face down on desk, revealing camera.

Step #3 Take a small Phillips screwdriver and place on camera lens.

Step #4 Strike handle of screwdriver with small hammer lightly until lens shatters. (Repeat step if necessary)

Step #5 Take a small flat screwdriver or pocket knife and gut loose fragments from lense area.

Step #6 Remove enough chewed bubble gum from mouth to fill lens hole 80-85%

Step #7 Quickly squeeze one of those blue-round-plastic Palm logos (or equivalent) into the wet gum to make a smooth low profile logo.

Step #8 Let Treo600 set for 24-36 hours allowing solution to harden and logo to become secure.

Viola! Providing your gum was not green-apple, the Treo now looks professionally cameraless and the stress of PalmOne's injustice is a distant memory.

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Such a lead time for an entirely new OS makes sense from a programmer's POV.

== "...We anticipate that the next generation of
== products running PalmOS Cobalt will be delivered
== early in the second half of fical year 2005..."

That is, January 2005 onward.

Like it or not.

http://tinyurl.com/25d3w

I think this one is real since they somehow forced TreoCentral to take it down.

Also by that thread I rediscovered the new Motorola MPx.

The sad part is that I can afford my current Treo 600 GSM two months and days ago and now they release this, well I think a Treo 600 in hand is better than nothing =)

Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.

Of course we have no way to verify this story, but it sounds plausible enough to me.

I also work in an industry where we see very large quantities of products roll through our shop, getting installed by us and used by a 3rd party. I'm our Tech Rep., so I'm the first one to hear about flaws and whatnot.

My point is that is much easier to spot this stuff dealing with large numbers of an item.

Palm/P1 has had ongoing issues with how some of their stuff holds up over time (To which I can personally attest (x3!) ), which also lends credence to this rant.

If there is stuff missing from the smartphone OS version it should be easy enough to confirm.

I'd actually like to put in another word for Symbian.
If they really work at it, maybe they could be a major player in the future.

It don't think it's that bad. I usually use it at the end of the day to add some charge when my battery is low or something. Also, the GSM Treo600 has a much better battery life than the Sprint version. Furthermore, you battery really depends on the coverage of your wireless provider and type of wireless connectivity apps you have installed on the Treo. If you use goodlink or chatter or something, then wireless will be on alot more and consequently the battery usage will be higher. But I agree, the external battery may not be for everyone...

"Well, at least it has a full Palm OS. WRONG-O! Many of the functionalities you come to expect from Palm device are absent. You can't back everything up to the memory card, especially phone functions. You cannot save the favorites phone list or any other phone function to the SD card..."

Umm...WTF are you talking about?!! I mean are you really IT manager or something, b/c remind me to NEVER ask you for information b/c you basically don't know what the hell you are talking about! There are numerous backup apps like Backupman etc that are compatible with the Treo600 and they DEFINITELY backup the phone favs, contact, bookmarks etc. I use backupman all the time and it works flawlessly. If you haven't found a solution for this, it is b/c you are obviously ignorant...

"Palm application software isn't always compatible with Treos. Hmm, funny, says it's a Palm OS and is compatible with Palm applications."

Again, what are you talking about?!! What specific apps are you referring to anyway? The major compatibility issue with the Treo is the 5-way nav functionality, but even here most apps will work w/o this. AFAIK, most major apps have been ported to the Treo anyhow...

"These things are supposed to be communications devices but far too often I am called by users on a land line complaining that they can't send/receive their corporate mail or they can't call out or do any of the other things the Treo is advertised to do."

There are many, many email options for the Treo600. The funcitonality all depends on the product you choose. The Treos (new firmware) all come bundled with the Visto based mail client that is sufficient for most consumers. On the other hand there are many users over at Treocentral who swear by Good, snapper or whatever. Thus the problem is most likely related to email package...

"Ok, customer service. If you have a problem with these things after 30 days you don't contact the service provider (AT&T or Sprint), you contact Palm..."

Again, WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! You get a one-year manufacturer's warranty with the Treo600. With Sprint, if you have a defective Treo600, you can take it to your local Sprint store and they should replace it if they have it in stock. If they don't, the avarage wait to get it shipped is between 10-14 days. The replacement Treo is usually a refurb, but is basically new. I have NEVER heard of Sprint sending you back the exact same Treo. Secondly, Sprint and many other carriers offer replacement insurance from companies like Lockline. Thus, if you do drop it, you can get replacment devices...

Overall, this poster sounds lame with very poor knowledge about the device he apparently provides support for. His ignorance about basic utilities like backup software should be a big red flag...

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GNM

I think I may stand corrected here.

Shame is for things that matter, not threads on a message board.

I hope you're not an airport screener where I fly next time. :-)

Pat Horne; www.churchoflivingfaith.com

Well, there's a reason why those E-Z-Credit businesses lump "Bad credit?" and "No credit?" in the same catagory.

Talking about the Treo, for me is rock solid, I can go for 3-4 days without charging it, moderated and balanced use (PDA mainly, mp3 moderated, SMS moderated and light calling) Talk time isn't cheap, mainly because I'm unemployed right now (If you have some interesting position, offer it to me, I can outsource your IT projects for a fraction of the cost in USD =)). The only spontaneous reset I've got was when I tried to reinstall grafitti 1, btw if you know how to make it, please repost, y miss mi old m130 writing capabilities even with the great keyboard. Obviously I'll never drop my Treo, not even half an inch.

For me so far so good. The update seems like good news for Palm given the strong push that this product is giving to its finances. I don't really care about the camera (I barely use mine right now, and I can record video with a free app www.infinityball.com) or Bluetooth since I don't have any device that uses it, and headsets I've seen on the internet are WAY so expensive for my small pockets. If the screen really improves at battery expense I'll probably skip it, and even if the current low resolution screen isn't a T3 compared to my OLD m130 it is SO BRIGHT and I really don't see any ghosts in Zap! that is the most fast paced app that I use =)

Just my two cents, and if you really have an open position email me at alex_mayorga(at)yahoo.com I'm graduated in information systems engineering.

Technology moves faster than you can afford... at least for me.

He doesn't. He was just quoting the title of the C|NET article. How anyone could love a handheld with a name that sounds like some kind of prescription drug is beyond me. Take two Axim and call me in the morning. On second thought, don't. Just take the Axim and leave.

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Contributing Editor, http://digitalmediathoughts.com
Editor, http://Pocketfactory.com

In anycase, there are various call filtering and call forwarding apps available for the Treo600 that are very powerful:

Callfilter:
http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&prodID=53606

CallShield:
http://www.mantragroup.com/callshield.htm

Buzzoff:
http://www.toysoft.ca/buzzoff.html

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GNM